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How would you like to elaborate and discuss the history about the Audio Mixes of the Rodgers & Hammerstein Films (1945-1965) for Home Video in order to find out what audio mix is:
A: The optimal audio in terms of AQ (by separating the comparison and sorting them in various best sounding channel presentations fx. "Best 1.0/2.0 Mono, 2.0 Stereo or Multi Channel (4.0 to 7.1 [or Atmos]") on the various Home Video Editions
B: See if the mixes for the selected titles stick to OG audio (either 35mm Optical Mono/Stereo, Magnetic 4-Track or 70mm 6-Track mixes) or remixed audio.
To kick things of, here are my candidates for the following films:
State Fair (1945)
Sound Mix AQ Countdown (from Worst to Best Sounding):
Stereo Upmix:
2. 2005 Fox Home Entertainment DVD
Mix Left to Examine:
1. 1991 Fox Video JP LaserDisc [PILF-1332]
2. 1992 Fox Video US LaserDisc [1348-80]
Original Mono:
2. 2005 Fox Home Entertainment DVD
1. 2014 Fox Home Entertainment BD
Oklahoma! (1955)
Sound Mix AQ Countdown (from Worst to Best Sounding):
Todd-AO Version:
6. 2005 Fox Home Entertainment DVD (Dolby Digital 2.0 Stereo)
5. 2005 Fox Home Entertainment DVD (Dolby Digital 5.0)
4. 2014 Fox Home Entertainment BD (DTS-HD Master Audio 7.1)
3. 1999 Fox Home Entertainment DVD (Dolby Digital 2.0 Stereo)
2. 1999 Fox Home Entertainment DVD (Dolby Digital 5.1)
1. 1994 Fox Video LD [4269-85] (PCM 2.0 Stereo)
CinemaScope Version:
4. 2014 Fox Home Entertainment BD (DTS-HD Master Audio 4.0)
3. 2005 Fox Home Entertainment DVD (Dolby Digital 2.0 Stereo)
2. 2005 Fox Home Entertainment DVD (Dolby Digital 5.0)
1. 1989 CBS-Fox Video "LBX" LD [7020-85] (PCM 2.0 Stereo)
Carousel (1956)
7. 2006 Fox HD Master [iTunes] (Dolby Digital 2.0/5.0 or 5.1?)
6. 2014 Fox Home Entertainment BD (DTS-HD Master Audio 4.0)
5. 1994 Fox Video VHS (Hi-Fi 2.0 Stereo)
4. 2006 Fox Home Entertainment DVD (Dolby Digital 2.0 Stereo)
3. 2006 Fox Home Entertainment DVD (Dolby Digital 5.0)
2. 1999 Fox Home Entertainment DVD (Dolby Digital 2.0 Stereo)
1. 1999 Fox Home Entertainment DVD (Dolby Digital 5.0)
Mixes left to examine:
1988 CBS/Fox Video / 1991 Fox Video VHS (Hi-Fi 2.0 Stereo)
1991 Fox Video JP LD [PILF-1333] (PCM 2.0 Stereo)
1992 Fox Video "LBX" LD [1713-85] (PCM 2.0 Stereo)
1997 Fox Video "THX" LD [0419685] (PCM 2.0 Stereo)
The King and I (1956)
Sound Mix AQ Countdown (from Worst to Best Sounding):
9. 1992 Fox Video "LBX" LD [1004-85] (PCM 2.0 Stereo)
8. 1999 Fox Home Entertainment DVD (Dolby Digital 2.0 Stereo)
7. 1999 Fox Home Entertainment DVD (Dolby Digital 5.1)
6. 2014 Fox Home Entertainment BD (DTS-HD Master Audio 4.0)
5. 2006 Fox Home Entertainment DVD (Dolby Digital 2.0 Stereo)
4. 2006 Fox Home Entertainment DVD (Dolby Digital 5.0)
3. 1996 Fox Video "THX" LD [0896485] (PCM 2.0 Stereo)
2. 1996 Fox Video "THX" LD [0896485] (Dolby Digital 5.1 [AC-3])
1. 1981 Magnetic Video "P&S" LD [1004-80] (PCM 2.0 Stereo [Analog Track])
South Pacific (1958)
Sound Mix AQ Countdown (from Worst to Best Sounding):
General Release Version (with Bookends):
9. PCM 2.0 Stereo (Analog Track) [1983 CBS/Fox Video "P&S" LD] [7045-80]
8. Hi-Fi 2.0 Stereo [1990 CBS/Fox Video VHS]
7. PCM 2.0 [1994 Fox Video "THX" LD] [4268-85]
6. Dolby Digital 2.0 Stereo [1999 Fox Home Entertainment DVD]
5. Dolby Digital 5.1 [1999 THX Fox Home Entertainment DVD]
4. Dolby Digital 2.0 Stereo [2009 Fox Home Entertainment BD]
3. Dolby Digital 4.0 [2009 Fox Home Entertainment BD]
2. DTS-HD Master Audio 5.1 [2009 Fox Home Entertainment BD]
1. PCM 2.0 Stereo [1990 CBS/Fox Video "LBX" LD] [7045-85]
Extended Roadshow Version:
Missing a cracking sound (during deleted Bali Ha'i - Short Reprise [Billis]):
2009 Fox Home Entertainment BD (Dolby Digital 5.1)
2009 Fox Home Entertainment BD (Dolby Digital 2.0 Stereo) Downmixed from the 5.1
No Errors:
2009 Fox Home Entertainment BD [Dolby Digital 4.0 (448 kbps)]
Mixes left to examine:
2006 Fox Home Entertainment DVD (Dolby Digital 5.0)
2006 Fox Home Entertainment DVD (Dolby Digital 2.0 Stereo)
Flower Drum Song (1961)
Sound Mix AQ Countdown (from Worst to Best Sounding):
5. 2006 Universal Picture Home Entertainment DVD (Dolby Digital Mono)
4. 2006 Universal Picture Home Entertainment DVD (Dolby Digital 5.1)
3. 1992 MCA/Universal LaserDisc [40198] (PCM 2.0 Stereo)
2. 2022 Kino Lorber BD (DTS-HD Master Audio 2.0 Stereo)
1. 2022 Kino Lorber BD (DTS-HD Master Audio 5.1)
State Fair (1962)
Sound Mix AQ Countdown (from Worst to Best Sounding):
4.0:
2. 2005 Fox Home Entertainment (Dolby Digital 4.0)
1. 2017 Twilight Time BD (DTS-HD Master Audio 4.0)
2.0 Stereo (TBC):
2017 Twilight Time BD (DTS-HD Master Audio 2.0)
Mixes left to examine:
1. 1977 Magnetic Video VHS (Mono or Stereo? [TBC])
2. 1988 CBS/Fox Video Hi-Fi VHS [2.0 Stereo]
The Sound of Music (1965)
Sound Mix AQ Countdown (from Worst to Best Sounding):
10. Dolby Digital 4.0 (2010 Fox "45th Anniversary" BD) [Downmixed from the 7.1]
9. DTS-HD Master Audio 7.1 (2010 Fox "45th Anniversary" BD)
8. Dolby Digital 2.0 Stereo (2005 Fox "40th Anniversary" DVD) [Downmixed from the 5.0]
7. Dolby Digital 5.0 (2005 Fox "40th Anniversary" DVD)
6. Dolby Digital 2.0 Stereo (2000 Fox "Five Star Collection" DVD) [Downmixed from the 4.1 or is it 5.1?]
5. Dolby Digital 4.1 [or is it 5.1?] (2000 Fox "Five Star Collection" DVD)
4. PCM 2.0 Stereo (1989 CBS/Fox Video LD) [1051-85]
3. Dolby Atmos (2025 Disney UHD)
2. PCM 2.0 Stereo (1994 Fox Video "30th Anniversary" LD) [4267-85]
1. Dolby Digital 5.1 (1996 Fox Video AC-3 LD) [0897285]
Mixes left to examine:
PCM 2.0 (1981 Magnetic Video LD/1983 CBS/Fox Video LD) [1051-80]
If you would like to help me out, You please go ahead and use your audio software like:
Audacity + FFMPEG Plugin
gmkvextractGUI [optional, if extracting from a remuxed source] special thanks to, izzybell for giving us how to do so), to see what the following mixes look like)
Or simply toggle back and forth between the audio mixes on the R&H titles you own on home video to make your own observations and enlighten the thread to hopefully bring us closer to a reliable conclusion.
If you have any objections or you think the audio mixes of these films have any significance to you, please let me know, as it helps to be informed or educated thanks to the person from the inside who has the info we need.
Please let me know what you think of this.
Thank you.
How would you like to elaborate and discuss the history about the Audio Mixes of the Rodgers & Hammerstein Films (1945-1965) for Home Video in order to find out what audio mix is:
A: The optimal audio in terms of AQ (by separating the comparison and sorting them in various best sounding channel presentations fx. "Best 1.0/2.0 Mono, 2.0 Stereo or Multi Channel (4.0 to 7.1 [or Atmos]") on the various Home Video Editions
B: See if the mixes for the selected titles stick to OG audio (either 35mm Optical Mono/Stereo, Magnetic 4-Track or 70mm 6-Track mixes) or remixed audio.
To kick things of, here are my candidates for the following films:
State Fair (1945)
Sound Mix AQ Countdown (from Worst to Best Sounding):
Stereo Upmix:
2. 2005 Fox Home Entertainment DVD
Mix Left to Examine:
1. 1991 Fox Video JP LaserDisc [PILF-1332]
2. 1992 Fox Video US LaserDisc [1348-80]
Original Mono:
2. 2005 Fox Home Entertainment DVD
1. 2014 Fox Home Entertainment BD
Oklahoma! (1955)
Sound Mix AQ Countdown (from Worst to Best Sounding):
Todd-AO Version:
6. 2005 Fox Home Entertainment DVD (Dolby Digital 2.0 Stereo)
5. 2005 Fox Home Entertainment DVD (Dolby Digital 5.0)
4. 2014 Fox Home Entertainment BD (DTS-HD Master Audio 7.1)
3. 1999 Fox Home Entertainment DVD (Dolby Digital 2.0 Stereo)
2. 1999 Fox Home Entertainment DVD (Dolby Digital 5.1)
1. 1994 Fox Video LD [4269-85] (PCM 2.0 Stereo)
CinemaScope Version:
4. 2014 Fox Home Entertainment BD (DTS-HD Master Audio 4.0)
3. 2005 Fox Home Entertainment DVD (Dolby Digital 2.0 Stereo)
2. 2005 Fox Home Entertainment DVD (Dolby Digital 5.0)
1. 1989 CBS-Fox Video "LBX" LD [7020-85] (PCM 2.0 Stereo)
Carousel (1956)
7. 2006 Fox HD Master [iTunes] (Dolby Digital 2.0/5.0 or 5.1?)
6. 2014 Fox Home Entertainment BD (DTS-HD Master Audio 4.0)
5. 1994 Fox Video VHS (Hi-Fi 2.0 Stereo)
4. 2006 Fox Home Entertainment DVD (Dolby Digital 2.0 Stereo)
3. 2006 Fox Home Entertainment DVD (Dolby Digital 5.0)
2. 1999 Fox Home Entertainment DVD (Dolby Digital 2.0 Stereo)
1. 1999 Fox Home Entertainment DVD (Dolby Digital 5.0)
Mixes left to examine:
1988 CBS/Fox Video / 1991 Fox Video VHS (Hi-Fi 2.0 Stereo)
1991 Fox Video JP LD [PILF-1333] (PCM 2.0 Stereo)
1992 Fox Video "LBX" LD [1713-85] (PCM 2.0 Stereo)
1997 Fox Video "THX" LD [0419685] (PCM 2.0 Stereo)
The King and I (1956)
Sound Mix AQ Countdown (from Worst to Best Sounding):
9. 1992 Fox Video "LBX" LD [1004-85] (PCM 2.0 Stereo)
8. 1999 Fox Home Entertainment DVD (Dolby Digital 2.0 Stereo)
7. 1999 Fox Home Entertainment DVD (Dolby Digital 5.1)
6. 2014 Fox Home Entertainment BD (DTS-HD Master Audio 4.0)
5. 2006 Fox Home Entertainment DVD (Dolby Digital 2.0 Stereo)
4. 2006 Fox Home Entertainment DVD (Dolby Digital 5.0)
3. 1996 Fox Video "THX" LD [0896485] (PCM 2.0 Stereo)
2. 1996 Fox Video "THX" LD [0896485] (Dolby Digital 5.1 [AC-3])
1. 1981 Magnetic Video "P&S" LD [1004-80] (PCM 2.0 Stereo [Analog Track])
South Pacific (1958)
Sound Mix AQ Countdown (from Worst to Best Sounding):
General Release Version (with Bookends):
9. PCM 2.0 Stereo (Analog Track) [1983 CBS/Fox Video "P&S" LD] [7045-80]
8. Hi-Fi 2.0 Stereo [1990 CBS/Fox Video VHS]
7. PCM 2.0 [1994 Fox Video "THX" LD] [4268-85]
6. Dolby Digital 2.0 Stereo [1999 Fox Home Entertainment DVD]
5. Dolby Digital 5.1 [1999 THX Fox Home Entertainment DVD]
4. Dolby Digital 2.0 Stereo [2009 Fox Home Entertainment BD]
3. Dolby Digital 4.0 [2009 Fox Home Entertainment BD]
2. DTS-HD Master Audio 5.1 [2009 Fox Home Entertainment BD]
1. PCM 2.0 Stereo [1990 CBS/Fox Video "LBX" LD] [7045-85]
Extended Roadshow Version:
Missing a cracking sound (during deleted Bali Ha'i - Short Reprise [Billis]):
2009 Fox Home Entertainment BD (Dolby Digital 5.1)
2009 Fox Home Entertainment BD (Dolby Digital 2.0 Stereo) Downmixed from the 5.1
No Errors:
2009 Fox Home Entertainment BD [Dolby Digital 4.0 (448 kbps)]
Mixes left to examine:
2006 Fox Home Entertainment DVD (Dolby Digital 5.0)
2006 Fox Home Entertainment DVD (Dolby Digital 2.0 Stereo)
Flower Drum Song (1961)
Sound Mix AQ Countdown (from Worst to Best Sounding):
5. 2006 Universal Picture Home Entertainment DVD (Dolby Digital Mono)
4. 2006 Universal Picture Home Entertainment DVD (Dolby Digital 5.1)
3. 1992 MCA/Universal LaserDisc [40198] (PCM 2.0 Stereo)
2. 2022 Kino Lorber BD (DTS-HD Master Audio 2.0 Stereo)
1. 2022 Kino Lorber BD (DTS-HD Master Audio 5.1)
State Fair (1962)
Sound Mix AQ Countdown (from Worst to Best Sounding):
4.0:
2. 2005 Fox Home Entertainment (Dolby Digital 4.0)
1. 2017 Twilight Time BD (DTS-HD Master Audio 4.0)
2.0 Stereo (TBC):
2017 Twilight Time BD (DTS-HD Master Audio 2.0)
Mixes left to examine:
1. 1977 Magnetic Video VHS (Mono or Stereo? [TBC])
2. 1988 CBS/Fox Video Hi-Fi VHS [2.0 Stereo]
The Sound of Music (1965)
Sound Mix AQ Countdown (from Worst to Best Sounding):
10. Dolby Digital 4.0 (2010 Fox "45th Anniversary" BD) [Downmixed from the 7.1]
9. DTS-HD Master Audio 7.1 (2010 Fox "45th Anniversary" BD)
8. Dolby Digital 2.0 Stereo (2005 Fox "40th Anniversary" DVD) [Downmixed from the 5.0]
7. Dolby Digital 5.0 (2005 Fox "40th Anniversary" DVD)
6. Dolby Digital 2.0 Stereo (2000 Fox "Five Star Collection" DVD) [Downmixed from the 4.1 or is it 5.1?]
5. Dolby Digital 4.1 [or is it 5.1?] (2000 Fox "Five Star Collection" DVD)
4. PCM 2.0 Stereo (1989 CBS/Fox Video LD) [1051-85]
3. Dolby Atmos (2025 Disney UHD)
2. PCM 2.0 Stereo (1994 Fox Video "30th Anniversary" LD) [4267-85]
1. Dolby Digital 5.1 (1996 Fox Video AC-3 LD) [0897285]
Mixes left to examine:
PCM 2.0 (1981 Magnetic Video LD/1983 CBS/Fox Video LD) [1051-80]
If you would like to help me out, You please go ahead and use your audio software like:
Audacity + FFMPEG Plugin
gmkvextractGUI [optional, if extracting from a remuxed source] special thanks to, izzybell for giving us how to do so), to see what the following mixes look like)
Or simply toggle back and forth between the audio mixes on the R&H titles you own on home video to make your own observations and enlighten the thread to hopefully bring us closer to a reliable conclusion.
If you have any objections or you think the audio mixes of these films have any significance to you, please let me know, as it helps to be informed or educated thanks to the person from the inside who has the info we need.
Please let me know what you think of this.
Thank you.