the building that was stormed, where the rioters where getting up to.. the police had the keys to that building, and the permittance of the owner to enter it... some days before the riot...
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Well, that's a different problem, water cannons really are not the best way to handle thousands of violent protestors
But the police should get a better supply and organisation... because that's a big problem...
Oh, I'm not saying you should, I'm saying the laws can be mended and giving the police some leeway to use common sense
just the way you guys are bud, you've had your ass handed to you twice in the last hundred years and your are still the most powerful nation in mainland europe, you have resolve, clarity of thought and purpose, a powerhouse race
as I said, I am againt putting police force above the law.. because that may end even more desatrous...
Yeah.. but germany only can have extremes.. I think we will never find the middle way...
They are self claimed anarcho-communists, they don't care about private property (evidenced by the destruction of cars) and they oppose any sort of government (evidenced by the timing, it's not the G20, Trump or Putin, it's the rule of law)
They are anti fascist like the democratic republic of Korea is a democracy...
On the other hand.. yeah, I think the aggressive antifascists are a problem.. first of all.. they use similar methods as a fascistic regime would use.. some of them may have a good intention fighting racism and facism... but I think there are better ways, than violence...
it's not about being blind, they are being realists, they serve the powerful, when the police arent sufficient enough deterent the powerful always call in their military, that in itself is a guised threat, do what we tell you or else, society dont have too many ways of outgunning that threat, well there is one, but certainly not something you talk about online
the problem is, that I started to believe that the german police force is in some areas.. (not all, but enough) blind on the right side...
if i understood your post correctly mrbrown, that is not technically the police's fault, that is the fault of the society they work in, of course they are the politicians heavies, that is exactly their role as is the justice system, why so many normal people are in jail, but very few of the powerful people ever see it, regardless to what they do
Since my parents came from the soviet union, I know from first hand witnesses what it's like to have a police force that serves a dictatorship, I would obviously not think the same way, but I believe a compromise must be found
Would you think the same way, if you would come to believe that a police force is somebit blind on on political eye?
We still have leftists professors, we just know how to take their views into consideration and not just accept them as facts
In Israel, because of compulsory military service, we start our BA at about 22-24, not 18
I think some of the blame should go to western universities, you have leftists preaching to students who are too young to know better
it's just another term that has appeared over the ages to make the mere mortals feel more important about themselves, so the illusion can be maintained
balance of power is a logical fallacy, it doesnt exist, never has done, the most powerful always do exactly what they want to
Of course, but even if it isn't daily, just hoping to ride it out won't always work, there has to be some common sense involved
I think it is more important to have a balance in power... such acts of power are not a daily thing.. while police is a daily existing force...
That may be, but as long as the citizens won't realize times are changing, they'll never work. It was always up for the people to make the government realize that, and I'm very much against it being the other way around
but to give the yanks their due, they are not entirely stupid, they do dangle your country as bait, they know you are their queen piece on the board
since the war on terror started most of the western nations involved in that are using protocols your lot developed decades ago, you always had a security first process which makes sense
We started by calling a spade a spade. Islamic terrorism. You have that too, and the anarchists, yet the citizens are so tranquil and complacent, I'm afraid I'll never get it. Nostalgia and hope of returning to the good old days?
We adapted out policies, it keeps us safe, but there are always slips, I'm not saying there aren't any, but at least we try
And the governments refuse to adapt to modern times, you can't have a home policy from the 70's and expect it to work today
Well, that's the problem with the police, it doesn't deter, and the cops are paying the price
mrbrown, i think the point is the only time escalation makes sense is when you take it to a level where the other side no longer wants to play, anything less than that is just colored bubbles
That's why they fail, and because we normally act in self defence, with a very clear goal of repelling the enemy, we succeed
The thing is, America isn't trying to make them surrender, they always have a longer game, it's never about the actual country they invade
I don't think that the police force should have been harsher.. or it may even had more escalated.. but the law enforcement on the aggressive agressors may be better... some of the people throwing stones are already free, because the paperwork was not done in time...
no way in hell could America get 5 countries in the middle east to simultaneously surrender within a week
It wasn't always like that. Until the early 80's, our security measures were a lot lighter
yes, but you guys are next level, have been since your country was formed and with very good reason
I agree with you on that. When I read the RNT's new security policy which was described as "Enhanced", I chuckled a bit because that security measure is standard procedure here, and the people know it
because if so that explains the way you think, just doubt many europeans will understand that viewpoint, most are optimistic pacifists
Laws can be mended. The government is worried about popularity, and having the police use violence reflects badly on it. But the fact that everything is live streamed today goes both ways. When people are violent towards the police, it's common sense to use violence against them
The problem is tht putting some force above the law may bring problems afterwards in controlling that force...
Europe as a whole has been too lenient on terrorism and violence, it's a real shame, as we used to look up to it
My point is that the protestors know they won't be harmed, but if this was 30 years ago, they wouldn't dare even speak up
This goes beyond peaceful political opposition. While I agree that shutting down protests is anti democratic, it's not a very fine line between peaceful protests and violent riots. German police should know better, and the German government should not be afraid to meet violence with harsher violence
Is that really a good thing when political oppositions are forced down that aggressively? Yeah, theanarchist riots are extrme dumb.. also don't think that the big part of these anarchists are really political interested.. they were just interested in making chaos an mayhem...
I meant before the wall fell, when communist leaning protestors in the west were met with brute force.
search for 'Rostock-Lichtenhagen' August 92 ... and how pityful the police forces rected...
We have been following with some interest, it's absurd that the police has no deterring power against those anarchists. If this was 30 years ago....
Well, it may not be very hot in Germany weather wise, but politically, you're on fire! 
well... I think GErmany is quite cool today.. about 20 °C ... yesterday it rained...
We're having a heatwave, a tropical heatwave! Oh, the temperature's rising, it isn't surprising, they certainly can, can-can!
We are literally melting here, as ice creams dropped on the hot asphalt, with temperatures near (if not above) 40°C... what's about you?
^ Do you mean flat as opposed to curved or just TV screens in general (as opposed to projectors)?
I don't think 4k is effective at 43" anyway, I think it's best at 55" and bigger.
I actually got myself a 1080 one I don't really see the point of 4K when it comes to home media. Plus, the goal was to get something cheap 
I don't really see the point of 4K when it comes to home media. Plus, the goal was to get something cheap 
It's funny you said that because my 32" TV is dying and I just ordered a brand new 43" one 
...bought them at a quite low price for the sets with one year in time differences...
My Sound System is build from two different, but still quite similar 5.1 systems from the same manufacturer... my receiver is 7.2 capable... so I can choose between 5 identical front, two dipole on the sides, 2 subs or the other setup: 3 irntical front, twi dipole sides, two in the backs a bit smaller than the front together with the two subs...
Two.. one with 300 Watt normal and short term up to 600 Watt, the other one 350 Watt normal power with short term up to 700 Watt
well.. with the right sound system, that bringes the signal lower 100hz to the sub of the system... I don't have 3 way speakers with build in passive woofers. So I have to use the external subwoofers for that.
it was the rotorwash scene just after the chopper lands in the meadow to drop off gleeson, there was some grass rusting in the bottom left of the screen, noise wise it came from my left foot
one scene from the headphone x track from the usa bd of ex machina blew me away, it actually had me looking at my left foot trying to work out where the noise came from, it was like being the camera or the screen itself
to be perfectly honest i think that film or the series would be perfect as a DTS Headphone X demonstration, the immersion levels on teh stuff i have already heard from that tech are intense
but i do get where you are coming from regarding the difference in 2.0 to 5.1 remasters, the 2.0 sounds far more focused and intense
I just noticed that there are some forign (non german) DVD releases of the DC with the non 5.1 Audio in german... old canadian columbian tristar release and Dutch DVD...
no problem.. i think most confution is that either Televition Cut and Theatrical Cut may be shortened to TC.
So, bigrob and I are talking about a different Version of that movie... Until the first german DVD release, that arrived this weekend, I never saw a Release of the Director's Cut in 2.0 only in 5.1
it's just the disc name, it is the tv mini series, the 6 episode version which came out before the film if i am not mistaken
bigrob an me are talking on the Theatrical Cut and the Director's Cut, not the Television Cut
What Kind of "uncut" you are referring? The Theatrical Cut, the Director's Cut or the Television cut?
not sure what you meant by that MrBrown, but there are 2 dts-hdma tracks in the Original Uncut version of Das Boot, the 5.1 remaster and a 2.0 track as well, both German obviously
@MrBrown Yeah the 2 disc BD from the USA has both DC and TC but I can't find any info if the TC is the original audio mix or the remixed audio from the DC
dont know if any of you peeps are interested but i kept the 2.0 track for Das Boot seeding on hdt, they uploaded it outside of the main file for the miniseries