So the only releases we know to have had the huge Ellison credit were the 90s Hemdale transfers and the MGM ones.

Though I'd be surprised if they didn't reshoot the credits earlier, they look of the time. I compared the two once, no errors or anything. Just differences in the scroll speed and maybe some spacing. A couple credits were moved out of the scroll.

On DVD it was a novelty, on image there was, AFAIK one issue without it at all, and a release with the first version after or in the end credits, not at the beginning.

It wasn't until the early 90s when Harlan got upset again around T2 that we finally saw the reshot text at the start of the credits

The HBO transfer added a video text during the end credits IIRC

Maybe the LD was before the DVD, and the porting technic was a bit sh*t...

or was it the first Hemdale LD?

I will say that the lack of an Ellison credit is not as much of a novelty as I thought. I think the Image LD was entirely missing it

The German LD might be better, but this was an early DVD, it could have been a direct port

That release is important though because it poked a hole in the argument that the previous HD transfer was the "correct" timing. I remember that there were people who said it was wrong, they were lambasted by others, how could the film have possibly been so teal? I reiterate, just because a remaster is flawed doesn't make the previous master any more accurate.

The DVD is from the early days of that companies DVD days...

Mhm... I wonder if the corresponding LD is a bit better... Not in color, but the technical transfer itself...

... and they did not had Mr. 'Best transfer' in the world done it... Or so.

looking for the NTSC 3:2

and was trying to manually IVTC it

I only noticed the pattern because I totally forgot it was PAL

I'd believe it. Maybe the equipment was not properly calibrated

because if the source really is a German print, then that's the only thing that can explain a repeating pattern

they just could not resolve well with the technology of the era. Heck, it takes a lot of work on our part to get them to resolve well in HD

"Euro Pulldown with a missing field" is my working hypothesis at the moment

Yeah. The good thing is it's a theatrical print. The bad thing is it's a theatrical print

perhaps nicer than the open matte LD

It's pure luck it even exists. It's good it does but as a home video transfer it looks subpar

lol

Maybe it is a secret code... The master guy was imprisoned in the company, and he tried to communicate via strange Interlacing and pull downs...

The ones that came from dual-subtitled prints with cigarette burns and everything

it reminds me of those awful Hong Kong home video transfers of the 80s

It is a shit transfer too, it is proof positive why it was mostly a BAD idea to telecine from a positive meant for theatrical projection. It may preserve the theatrical color in some respect, but it's skewed and washed out nonetheless

I wonder if it's Euro pulldown with a field dropped

it's repeatable

I have an MKV of his attempt. Maybe he still has the avs script lying around

there's a pattern in there

I think we can definitely get it back to progressive.

somehow he was able to sync it with the LD mono

It is a weird weird transfer

Chewtobacca tried to deinterlace it for me once. Some frames still had artifacts

it's hard, zoidberg

it's just so… weird

Is it hard/soft telecine? Could be the frame flagging

Agreed

I don't dispute you but it makes no sense whatsoever for it to have been transferred in NTSC.

Again it makes no sense, this is a German print. It has the optical overlay of the distributor over the Orion logo

I find that particularly strange

The active picture area is 480 lines high

With PAL speed up.

Of a German print

Sometimes you can tell that the black bars on video are separate from the black bars on the print. It makes no sense it would be a conversion from NTSC because it is a German transfer

The German DVD is electronically matted at about 1.55

(And of course in true open matte you can see the frame overlap, which is outside of even the 1.33 aperture I believe

I know that every time it cuts to an animatronic the matte goes away. I've even seen film cells with a splice from open matte to hard matte

http://i70.fastpic.ru/big/2015/1004/87/3...dba787.jpg the DVD version

OK so it looks like Fantasy II shot their miniature work open matte too?

Film cells being sold on eBay near this out

I think mostly the Stan Winston animatronic shots

The film is partially 1.33 or 1.22 or whatever open matte is

rutracker.works/forum/viewtopic.php?p=67584745

Can't access this at work... what does this page say?

link?

Yeah, on YouTube there is a small clip...

Perhaps we can track it down

Where did you hear about it?

Wow, really?

... Even if strong censored, it was even more open matted, compared to that DVD.

I really would love to have the old Tele 5 airing...

I don't know how the corresponding LD is...

and I can more-or-less just cut it out of the frame and BAM 480 lines

Indeed, but especially cool for me since my goal is to have an open matte NTSC DVD of it

At least it is quite unique...

the active area of the image measures to just about 480 lines high

I think it's 4:3 NTSC shoved into a PAL frame without resizing

That transfer is interesting. I don't think it's really 1.66:1

That may just be it

2:2:2:2:2:2:2:2:2:2:2:3

Whoops, I meant Euro pulldown, not 2:2

will play with it more tonight

or perhaps I just can't spot 2:2 when I see it

it's pretty strange to say the least

rather than IVTCing back to progressive and then just flagging it as 25fps or doing 2:2 for 50i

It's almost as if they took the NTSC master with 3:2 pulldown already applied and did an NTSC->PAL conversion as if it were video

there's a "3:2"-like repeating pattern

It's definitely interlaced, but it's not straight 2:2 like most 50i PAL sources

Uhm... Interlacing, maybe?

It's like something on top of NTSC 3:2 pulldown

The combing is out of control and I can't figure out what's up with it

Does anyone know what's up with that 1.66:1 German DVD release of Terminator?

Mhm... I don't know every T2 LD in my Collection... Maybe I already got that...

I think it was the final Laserdisc release (in the US) before DVD, doesn't pop up very often

I do not know, if I have that LD... I think I have more of the old T1 LDs and fewer T2 LDs...

It also has the TriStar Logo before the Carolco Logo. Just wondered if maybe the AC3 had a bit more oomph compared to the DVD. I'll put a bid in if the price doesn't get daft

Mhm.. at least it has a mono track that is not on the DVD...

LDDB.com Link to wich T2 LD?

There's a T2 Laserdisc with AC3 (Live video) on fleabay, is definitely the same track as the DVD?

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