If you can provide the rip, video and all, I can do the sync

Mhm.. okay... MediaInfo states a 3 channel audio on that disc... phew... thought I had to search for that DVD again.. this time with the unknown audio Now I can go to work...

I'd like to sync it to the BD if it's legit

KK, please let me know if you have it

Okay, so the DVD profiler listing is also wrong... I think I gonna check my Disc ASAP, maybe there just was a faulty batch, and some are really 1.0

first listing

Read the note here: http://dvdcompare.net/comparisons/film.php?fid=982

The audio is stated to be 1.0 mono on the hems Dale / image DVD. Or was there another release?

Seeing some rainbowing :-)

BTW, that German DVD Is from a composite source

The 1997 Image/Hemsdale DVD

Yeah, I am also still curious which DVD the 2.1 Version is from...

Stamper: Can you upload the 2.1 audio somewhere please?

Read this on Bluray forum.

No, there are interviews or quotes online from the editor, who says the film was shot in square open matte, intended for 1.85. The prints were matted at 1.66 though in europe, but nonetheless shown 1.85.

@anctufaalb: AFAIK all Terminator US LDs in 1.33:1 are P&S

@ilovewaterslides: the exists proof that there were at least TV airings droning more to top and bottom, compared to the 1.66:1 DVD.

Wow, that was bugging me

Now it just looks like normal interlaced footage

@Koopa: the discussion was started about that DVD.

MPEG2Source("Z:\Temp\Terminator.d2v").SeparateFields().DeleteFrame(307227).DeleteFrame(0).Weave()

Take a look at this :-)

Wow, so there was a field dropped, guys!

There is a 1.66:1 DVD in Germany, but it's pan and scan.

So you guys still didn't figure out that Terminator was shot hard matted 1.66:1?

This one? http://www.lddb.com/laserdisc/03810/ID66...inator-The

Which US LD is open matte?

damn

False alarm! just made a comparison with the DVD, and the only open matte part is the initial introduction, while the rest of the movie is simply pan&scan...

Wow! Can you send a pic?

The Italian LD has the same image size as this http://fastpic.ru/view/70/2015/1004/7f5f...c.jpg.html - apart few pixels less on the left...

I'm working on fixing a 2 second glitch in it.

Oh, BTW, I doubt anyone cares, but I have discrete 5.1 audio for Twins (1988). This has never been released on any home video format.

Has anyone compared the mono audio from the LD of "The Sting" to the 5.1 track that has shown up on the DVD and BD releases?

This is epic

Sorry, it's certainly not in my collection... many US versions and one UK one... plus a Japanese from a friend...

The German pre-dvd LD, FSK18, slightly censored: http://www.lddb.com/laserdisc/36203/5020...inator-The

I stay away from the shoutbox, and few hours later so many messages?!? repost the LD catalog number, *maybe* I have it - should check...

Which image DVD has 2.1 sound? I only can see 1.0 on the backside...

I have the image dvd, it's great. The 2.1 sounds awesome

I think my LD stands between an US and the Japanese LD... But I am not sure...

Uhm...

Someone would have to track down that LD.

According to LDDB.com the german VCL LD of the Terminator is from 1995... The DVD from 1998... So it is possible that they botched the transfer from LD to DVD...

Or something

One person posts well lit and scanned images - though low resolution, only 500px wide

Look at the ones that start with T1

the T1 ones are film cells I've saved images of from eBay (mostly U.K.)

Maybe one of us should buy a copy

There are copies on eBay, they're cheaper than I'd have assumed

Yeah, it's in my DVD collection...

Ah.. Hemdale and Image...

It think I have it.

The image DVD?

nope

Does anybody have the 1997 DVD? I don't

So the only releases we know to have had the huge Ellison credit were the 90s Hemdale transfers and the MGM ones.

Though I'd be surprised if they didn't reshoot the credits earlier, they look of the time. I compared the two once, no errors or anything. Just differences in the scroll speed and maybe some spacing. A couple credits were moved out of the scroll.

On DVD it was a novelty, on image there was, AFAIK one issue without it at all, and a release with the first version after or in the end credits, not at the beginning.

It wasn't until the early 90s when Harlan got upset again around T2 that we finally saw the reshot text at the start of the credits

The HBO transfer added a video text during the end credits IIRC

Maybe the LD was before the DVD, and the porting technic was a bit sh*t...

or was it the first Hemdale LD?

I will say that the lack of an Ellison credit is not as much of a novelty as I thought. I think the Image LD was entirely missing it

The German LD might be better, but this was an early DVD, it could have been a direct port

That release is important though because it poked a hole in the argument that the previous HD transfer was the "correct" timing. I remember that there were people who said it was wrong, they were lambasted by others, how could the film have possibly been so teal? I reiterate, just because a remaster is flawed doesn't make the previous master any more accurate.

The DVD is from the early days of that companies DVD days...

Mhm... I wonder if the corresponding LD is a bit better... Not in color, but the technical transfer itself...

... and they did not had Mr. 'Best transfer' in the world done it... Or so.

looking for the NTSC 3:2

and was trying to manually IVTC it

I only noticed the pattern because I totally forgot it was PAL

I'd believe it. Maybe the equipment was not properly calibrated

because if the source really is a German print, then that's the only thing that can explain a repeating pattern

they just could not resolve well with the technology of the era. Heck, it takes a lot of work on our part to get them to resolve well in HD

"Euro Pulldown with a missing field" is my working hypothesis at the moment

Yeah. The good thing is it's a theatrical print. The bad thing is it's a theatrical print

perhaps nicer than the open matte LD

It's pure luck it even exists. It's good it does but as a home video transfer it looks subpar

lol

Maybe it is a secret code... The master guy was imprisoned in the company, and he tried to communicate via strange Interlacing and pull downs...

The ones that came from dual-subtitled prints with cigarette burns and everything

it reminds me of those awful Hong Kong home video transfers of the 80s

It is a shit transfer too, it is proof positive why it was mostly a BAD idea to telecine from a positive meant for theatrical projection. It may preserve the theatrical color in some respect, but it's skewed and washed out nonetheless

I wonder if it's Euro pulldown with a field dropped

it's repeatable

I have an MKV of his attempt. Maybe he still has the avs script lying around

there's a pattern in there

I think we can definitely get it back to progressive.

somehow he was able to sync it with the LD mono

It is a weird weird transfer

Chewtobacca tried to deinterlace it for me once. Some frames still had artifacts

it's hard, zoidberg

it's just so… weird

Is it hard/soft telecine? Could be the frame flagging

Agreed

I don't dispute you but it makes no sense whatsoever for it to have been transferred in NTSC.

Again it makes no sense, this is a German print. It has the optical overlay of the distributor over the Orion logo

I find that particularly strange