UHD BD to BD?

[Beber]

My own TDKR tonemapping has just begun. @Beber you should check hue=0;bright=-2;sat=1.1;cont=1.0. I think it's more similar to UHD (even to iTunes version)

There have been many RipBot updates since then. This is how my same tweakings ended up being a few months ago:

Then / Now:










So the old tweaking specs don't apply anymore. I need to find new ones. It's darker now, but it's more capable in dealing with yellows.

[myllaki]

My own TDKR tonemapping has just begun. @Beber you should check hue=0;bright=-2;sat=1.1;cont=1.0. I think it's more similar to UHD (even to iTunes version)

There have been many RipBot updates since then. This is how my same tweakings ended up being a few months ago:

Then / Now:










So the old tweaking specs don't apply anymore. I need to find new ones. It's darker now, but it's more capable in dealing with yellows.

Exactly, that's why I recommended you my own settings, which I think are pretty neat

[Beber]

@myllaki: I can try, but since I think it's too dark now, and you've kept my -2 in brightness, I don't think a +0.1 boost in contrast (from 0.9 to 1) will compensate for it. I'll need to find the equivalent of what I did 2 years ago (Already? Damn, that flew by!) but with better yellow retention as it can be achieved now with the updates that happened in the meantime.

[myllaki]

@myllaki: I can try, but since I think it's too dark now, and you've kept my -2 in brightness, I don't think a +0.1 boost in contrast (from 0.9 to 1) will compensate for it. I'll need to find the equivalent of what I did 2 years ago (Already? Damn, that flew by!) but with better yellow retention as it can be achieved now with the updates that happened in the meantime.

UPDATE: I had to re-tonemap it since it was too saturated in certain areas (for example, Blake next to a bus watching the Batwing). I used default settings, but brightness -2, and now it seems to be fine.

[Beber]

The Fellowship of the Ring is a bit disappointing. Colorwise, it's the best we've had on home video and quite a good match to what a 35mm looked like, even better than the extended BD which had a good basis but kind of ruined by an infamous excess of green. But the real problem here is that it's pretty obvious now that it's a fake remaster with nothing 4K in it. Even worse, there are many times where the BD has more detail and more grain overall as the UHD has been scrubbed through DNR. Nothing like Predator UHE or T2 on UHD, but too much still. I read all three have received the same treatment, dammit. Apparently, the reasonning behind is to match the digital look of The Hobbit trilogy. Talk about backwards thinking.

RipBot264 (hue=0, sat=1.2, bright=-2, cont=1.2)

[Doctor M]

I'm surprised they didn't convert it to 48 FPS 3D just to really bring that Hobbit look.

[Beber]

I'm surprised they didn't convert it to 48 FPS 3D just to really bring that Hobbit look.

Apparently, they did not even make UHD @ 48 fps for The Hobbits while the format can support up to 60 fps, I believe (Gemini Man for instance). Not even as an option on separate discs. Not that I care for HFR anyway, but still, since that's Jackson's original intent, it should be made available.

[PDB]

I’ve already given up on the lotr uhds. The resolution and framing look the same as the old bds only with de-graining and over sharpening applied. I swear they are the old scans.

And the colors are not great. They are clearly done to satisfy people who hated the green tint. I’m sticking with the old bds.

[borisanddoris]

I ran all three on 35mm during their initial run and while the new UHD discs of LOTR have issues, overall, I think they are the best we have ever gotten on home video. There is certainly instances of grain removal and oddball waxiness, albeit some of these errors I believe to be baked in because even on 35mm they looked oddly digital and too clean, even with grain from the print. Fellowship got the biggest overhaul and has never ever looked this good. Saw the print hundreds of times and suffice to say this is terrific. The theatrical cut also paired well with my cinema DTS sync from the old VC-1 Blu-ray.

I haven't taken a full listen to the Atmos tracks yet as our marathon has not taken place yet and we only do 5.1 here. The theatrical VC-1 blu-ray tracks all seem to sync out of the box though so I plan on comparing them at some point.

Again, these aren't perfection but gosh they are great and really take me back to December 01-03. It was a great time to be working in a cinema!

[Doctor M]

I'm surprised they didn't convert it to 48 FPS 3D just to really bring that Hobbit look.

Apparently, they did not even make UHD @ 48 fps for The Hobbits while the format can support up to 60 fps, I believe (Gemini Man for instance). Not even as an option on separate discs. Not that I care for HFR anyway, but still, since that's Jackson's original intent, it should be made available.

My understanding is that he screwed up in his HFR choice. By using 48 fps, it's incompatible with any home theater equivalent. Maybe they could come up with some 1080i60 telecine, but that would be a mess. And since there is no 4k 3D or 3D above 30 fps, we can never have it all.

Maybe one day there will be a way to deliver it, like streaming, but for now it's part of failed movie tech history.