Super resolution

[DoomBot]

Well, you were right, it works like a charm. Thanks Jerry

[jerryshadoe]

Happy to hear that it worked for you

The results really are amazing. I never thought that much could be "recovered" from an SD source as what this method does. Given a "proper" SD source, there are a lot of projects that could be "born" from use of this method. It blows any other upscaling method I have tried out of the water. There are numerous films that have BD release of their theatrical version but only "extended"/"uncut" on LD/DVD (or vice-versa for some films, like Robin Hood Prince of Thieves) and this could make the transitions from one to the other a lot smoother (assuming that you are overlaying it with a real 35mm grain plate)

What do you think?

[DoomBot]

I agree, it does a pretty damn good job, as long as the source isn't horrible. I do plan on overlaying a 35mm grain plate, first project is House (1986). I have the LD being shipped to PDB for ripping the audio. Sure, i WOULD like the 35mm form the mega Italian list, but who knows when or if that will happen.

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Oh, and about using upscaled with a grain plate and BD source, it probably could work. Only one way to find out.

[jerryshadoe]

Yeah, the result is VERY dependent on the quality of the source and, apparently, this is not always dependent on the bitrate as I explained in my Top Gun thread, where - long story short, a non-anamorphic NTSC disc at ~4100kbps upscaled much better than an anamorphic PAL disc at ~6000kbps of the same material.

Look forward to seeing your results with the "House - 1986" project. Yeah, work with what you have until (if and when you can) do better. My Top Gun project was originally going to be done using upscaled DVD footage exclusively and done using lanzcos3... But, I got lucky because Andrea found a better source, I was introduced to SuperResolution and this "open new doors" for me, LOL

It's fun to see how some of these projects "evolve."

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True, only one way to see and that's to do some testing

[spoRv]

... a non-anamorphic NTSC disc at ~4100kbps upscaled much better than an anamorphic PAL disc at ~6000kbps of the same material.

I should add this applies also when using a different upscale method...

And, I agree: projects evolve, thanks also to many users here - that's a great little community!

[PDB]

I'd love to use this on some of my old LDs that I want to preserve. I assume with the analog noise in LDs, the results are not going to be great. Given what I read on infognition.com, it looks like noise and grain will produce undesirable artifacts? Has anyone tried this on noisy or grainy sources?

If so I assume I could de-noise or de-grain the video, run super resolution and then re-grain? Hopefully producing good results. Would that be right?

[taas007]

I'd love to use this on some of my old LDs that I want to preserve. I assume with the analog noise in LDs, the results are not going to be great. Given what I read on infognition.com, it looks like noise and grain will produce undesirable artifacts? Has anyone tried this on noisy or grainy sources?

If so I assume I could de-noise or de-grain the video, run super resolution and then re-grain? Hopefully producing good results. Would that be right?

You can daisy-chain all that in the Advanced Mode. Then run the preview, adjust. Run the preview again. Adjust. Then get real angry about your disk space situation. Then accidentally delete a couple of old PS2 game .ISO-s you wanted to try to emulate on your PC. Then try the preview again. Then a friend call about his car breaking down 40 minutes away and needs a lift. Hit start and it'll be done by the time you're back. It isn't a perfect system but we like it.

[jerryshadoe]

Care to share a screenshot comparison of your results?

I haven't tinkered much with the plugins in VE. I looked at the list and there's tons of them there though. From what I understand, based on all the research I did online, the app is mainly only good for the SR part and that's it. ALL other editing/correcting of the video should be done after that in your editing app of choice. Here, if you have the HDD space, I highly recommend to do all of the "editing steps" in lossless (lagarith or huffyuv are my choices) and then you can test any plugins in various apps. Sometimes what I'm trying to achieve works with some setting/plugin I used in vdub. Sometimes I use Avidemux (have older and newer version as plugins are different) and this works. Sometimes I do all of the editing in Sony Vegas with the BBC set of better plugins than the native ones that come with app. Sometimes I have to do everything using some avisynth script (which I hate because that stuff can be very confusing to me sometimes) And, there are times, where I have to use a combination of some/all of the above. The reason that is given, everywhere I read about this app, for it being good mainly only for the SR part is poor coding/implementation of the plugins into the app. Apparently there are various bugs and the results of a vdub plugin on the app, with the same settings, will be inferior to doing it directly in vdub. Most of what I found about the app was in Russian and I had to use google translator to figure out what it said but I thought I'd share this as it might save people some time. Keep in mind, usually what you are upscaling will end up being slightly bigger initially, then your "final" dimensions due to the nature of it upscaling properly only at a rate of 2x at a time. The reason this is a great thing is because you can do all of your editing in a slightly larger size and when you adjust to "final" dimensions, due to slight "shrinkage" the final footage ends up looking a little better due to everything being a little closer together and it can make things appear to be sharper. I noticed this with the Top Gun project I'm working on right now. The HDTV source I have for it is only 720p and when upscalled to 2560x1440 (exactly double of original) it still looks fantastic (got lucky with a high 10.5mbps bitrate on source, which helped) Anyway... I did some initial tests, before I "really" work on the project, and with a little tinkering the footage looks excellent once resized to 1920x1080 and looks better than my commercial 2dBD of the film. In fact, most of it looks razor sharp, but not excessive...

Anyway, I digress... LOL...
ya, screenshots... LOL

[Valeyard]

You're much better off using the avisynth plugin than the app.

[spoRv]

You're much better off using the avisynth plugin than the app.

Agree! (even if you must take it cum grano salis because I'm an old dinosaur who likes to actually write commands...)