https://collider.com/fight-club-4k-relea...cher-cost/ And I still never trust that for what Fincher did to the two films "restored" into mess
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Neat Video 6 is out, looks like a TON of fixes, improvements, new configuration, faster https://www.neatvideo.com/features/versi...tory/nv6pr
Panic Room looks like a general upscale even apart from the intermittent "fixes" and "changes". I really, really hope he doesn't do that w. Fight Club 
Yeah, Fincher has ruined "Panic Room" even more so than he did with "Seven". Everything looks artificial and oversharpened now. It's no longer a real home, it's a digital set: every curtain has been changed, many windows as well, every reflection erased, but lensflares added, go figure, and he CGIed the Coca-Cola can so you can read the brand instead of seeing its backside. Fincher is completely gone. He was my favorite at some point, he's now on my blacklist. I'll see if I can cancel my preorder.
At 5:48 for the Se7en part, ouch. Not only Fincher kept the revisionist changes, he also butchered the lightning to make it too bright for certain dark scenes. The same Fincher also butchered Panic Room after over eighteen years from it's Blu-ray format debut. Viewers want perfection, not tackle with revisionist, DNR and AI changes!
Very cool video. His opinions kind of dovetail into what I've thought of modern digital cameras. Just because you have the ISO to film it doesn't mean you shouldn't properly light it
for anyone who was sleeping on this, its both the UHD and D.C., its $12 w/ flat $4 shipping, no matter if you order 1 item or many. I got this on sale for $26, MSRP is $40 https://www.hamiltonbook.com/blackhat-uhd-blu-ray_4
"-only dialogue" Really? This is not the first time Lionsgate pull this bull when they released the shorten cuts, while the international cuts got it instead (Hitman's Wife's Bodyguard & Rambo: Last Blood). That pisses me off which even the additional scenes to fill up plotholes (and not just the violence to avoid an NC-17 rating) improves the overall experience cut from the shorten version of the film. In Rambo's case, the alternative opening significantly changed the tone of the movie after all
FYI. Looks like there are two different cuts of Den of Thieves 2: https://www.reddit.com/r/boxoffice/comme...s_2_could/
I kinda think the original looked more convincing, except maybe the grading. Oh, well, I didn't like the movie at all anyway, although Rook was the best part for me since everything else was terrible.
Not sure, was wondering myself. Maybe its the orignal streaming file and they fixed it for the BD/UHD?
What's the source on the theatrical shots? Is there a cam/screener out there?
Here is a comparison of the changes made in Alien Romulus to the Ash puppet: https://youtu.be/FSkAhWQhEas?si=7LVohWV6ZDfUAshs
Not surprising as Tarantino did not rescan the original negatives by reediting the entire movie; Lionsgate reused the 2K DI (back then, computers are not powerful enoguh to render the film at 4K DI until Spider-Man 2 in 2004) like Universal for Inglorious Basterds. The true 4K from Tarantino are the first three and Once Upon a Time in Hollywood (with the dreaded 7.1 remix on the UHD; neither does the near-fielded 5.1 mix). The first two should sync with the LaserDisc PCM Stereo, while Jackie Brown can sync with DTS LD audio as the proper 5.1 mix. Reservoir Dogs: https://fanrestore.com/thread-1461.html and Pulp Fiction: https://fanrestore.com/thread-5695.html But no Jackie Brown for now which does have fantastic transfer to watch
Yeah, I don't get these people with their digital brain now: why would you smooth that piece of wood? It looked much more real and authentic with the lines on it.
Fincher's revisionist once again like Se7en does. Waited for the Blu-ray and 4K releases debut, just like that!?
this one does not look good https://slow.pics/c/4hiIA2qp?canvas-mode...it=contain
I'm sure I read somewhere that the bigger problem with the Woo films is access to elements as the owners did not take care of them at all. I'm not 100% but I think it was talking about Bullet in the Head being completely gone. Anyway fingers crossed they find something workable.
Since Hong Kong Rescue is gone to shame, looks like it finally go for the proper restoration of these movies at long last
Wow, its finally happening... https://variety.com/2025/film/asia/john-...236272850/
Train wreck of a movie anyway, just like Twisters. There's no fixing at this point. Just erase those from history.
Fix this! Fix that! How do you 'fix' something for which there is no complete or correct version? It's just an improvement until next time someone wants to fiddle with it...
Alien Romulus home release has fixed Rook - https://www.empireonline.com/movies/news...e-release/
I'll take it over low quality scans with questionable grading, or an LD era release
yeah, he did some revisionist changes. I wish he didn't, but it's honestly not that big of a deal
so, he DID use A.I., but not in how you think. I approve this usage https://ew.com/david-fincher-discusses-u...ox-8763180
Then stick with the DTS Cinema CD-ROM track instead? Even the DTS LD releases has fatal flaws that the true theatrical experience is the DTS Cinema audio track. What a waste, but a least tried for emunateD (the same with Pulp Fiction)
Looks like emunateD is ready to sync the UHD release for what velocity saying: https://fanrestore.com/thread-5616.html
sounds like we'll have to mux the 7.1 onto this https://www.hometheaterforum.com/seven-a...hd-review/
Yes probably right issues, so they removed the music. That makes for an interesting alternative soundtrack version!
Warner just put Barry Lyndon on YT with many music cues missing in scenes that now only have the dialogue and effects track on them.
just watched PTA's 1st movie HARD EIGHT (aka SYDNEY) in the new 4k master on The Movie Channel, Looks great. Colorful, better color separation, new looking, you can see every single pore in John C. Reilly's face now, lol
For Amadeus Theatrical, looks like the JP LD audio can finally sync once the 4K is out: https://originaltrilogy.com/topic/Amadeu...803/page/1
Amadeus coming to 4K with the theatrical cut https://www.blu-ray.com/news/?id=35684
Corporations just want to make money. If upscaling a 1080p master with AI cost 5 000 $ vers investing 15 000 $ to scan in 4K + 10 000 $ to redo the color timing, they won't hesitate.
Just finished SK13, the doc on Kubrick/Eyes Wide Shut, HIGHLY recommended. Fascinating. Not sure I agree w/ his final take, but what a hell of a ride
Would have been mondo excellent if both cuts of Thief made it to 4K officially.. Maybe Arrow Video.
And yet corporations never learn NOT to AI upscale the masters. Viewers rather have untouched 2K DI masters placed into the 4K disc (with less compression issues; worked with The Shallows (2016) & Drive (2011) Second Sight releases) despite limited by the source masters
Even Interstella 5555 has been ruined by AI: https://www.reddit.com/r/DaftPunk/commen.../#lightbox
Welll, since they did release a blu-ray with both cuts, maybe they have the rights for a UHD release too. We'll see.
Or, for short, what Titanic just said. Is Arrow supposed to make their own edition or is it just wishful thinking?
@velocity It is an issue when the theatrical cut isn't available in the same latest format. Anyway, I hope Arrow will fix that.
Oh, yes, it IS a replacement. No original untouched theatrical cut included just like the 2014 Criterion Blu-ray. We're deprived from the original historical film. Nobody cares about HIS vision HE wants to enforce. A film is a group effort and part of (pop) culture history. It morally and ethically belongs to us. Nobody has mandate to go back in time and change the past. Mann is amongst the worst revisionists anyway among Lucas, Cameron, Scott, Spielberg, Cundey, Fujimoto, Storaro... Those guys owe us their careers and fortunes, and they take a number two on all of us. There never was a proper "Heat" home video release (terrible non-colors), there's now 3 cuts for "The Last of the Mohicans" and only 2 on Blu-ray with the latest ruined colorwise. There's now 3 cuts for "Ali", and only 2 on Blu-ray in different regions. There's at least 3 cuts for "Manhunter" and only one looks decent, at least it's the theatrical one. "The Insider" was ruined colorwise on Blu-ray while the DVD and old TV broadcastings had the proper colors... Theatrical cuts, looks and mixes are the real deal. Anything else should only be considered as a bonus. The sad part is the industry wants almost universally to impose the new version. You can't even buy "Blade Runner" on its own nowadays. The standalone edition is The Final Cut. It's also the one shown on streaming and TV now, falsely labelled as being a 1982 film... with Atmos and CGI implemented!
It's still the director's vision, even if it's the vision he had decades later. More than you can say about any open matte
Nothing wrong with that. It's a new director's cut, no one's saying it's a replacement for the theatrical. I don't see why someone would take an issue with that, it's honest and not pretending to be anything else
It's strange to read in a fan restoration forum, the news of the tealed-to-death director's cut of THIEF released, considered awesome!
The Social Network is also on its way in a standalone release, out of the Columbia boxset.
That finally took under 19 years to get on Blu (and UHD at the same time) for the first time ever. Blu is referring to the debut since 2006. But being a Fincher film, who knows if this is worth the wait despite being a Sony film (Fincher is not involved in The Social Network 4K)
Apparently The Brutalist is shot in Vistavision: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GdRXPAHIEW4. Very cool to see this format getting a modern revival
the corporate will sell you dreck and won't even blink https://twitter.com/rarefilmm/status/186...0413061487