As Tony Stark would say ... why not have both?

Very close to what I'm working towards Bronze, hoping to make the BD/Judgment transition a bit smoother.
What I've currently got works as a good way to fix extra troublesome frames, it would however become quite noticable if I had it that way throughout the whole film.

It's always possible to use Judgment for the borders, and overlay the BD for the center part; I usually do that when mix-n-match various HDTV sources, and, if perfectly aligned and with very close matching colors, nobody would ever guess the borders are from another source!

To my eye all Judgement only needs is a decomb and deblock filter. Unfortunately, both of which would affect the sharpness that we are searching for.
As far as being pushed red, I wouldn't make that decision without a reference. The DVD and BD colors look worse.

(2017-08-18, 06:09 AM)Doctor M Wrote: To my eye all Judgement only needs is a decomb and deblock filter.  Unfortunately, both of which would affect the sharpness that we are searching for.
As far as being pushed red, I wouldn't make that decision without a reference. The DVD and BD colors look worse.

The Judgmment is pretty much the same as the DVD and BD, sure it has a slight color variation but nothing to wright home about. It's also a noise fest and littered with bad conversion artifects!

You are correct that you should not make a decision without a reference.
With out one, my decisions we're based as follows -

We know the majority of old masters had a magenta push.
The reference was a 35mm projected image of the original UK release print in 2010, I was aware of different color grades at this time on home video to the cinema counter part. Memory is all I had to use, no recording devises allowed in this showing!
I noted that it looked way more green/teal than i was used to seeing.
When using the open / end credits as the reference white point, the image corrects itself to what I saw.

It's up to Beetwaaf where he goes with it really, I'm just offering my 2 cents on the matter

Just a quick comparison for how the current tests are looking for my current merge, this particular frame is one of the worst in the entire HDTV according to the original uploader (Judgement).
There's still obviously a fair bit of issues with the image still, but overall I think it's a great step in the right direction.

https://diff.pics/Cv4Nsez4drBA/1

I've yet to start color work, but that should as CSchmidlapp has pointed out be as simple as to match the starting credits to white, if not that, eyes tend to be pure white in Anime and should thus prove a good place to white balance against.

(2017-08-18, 12:05 PM)Beetwaaf Wrote: eyes tend to be pure white in Anime and should thus prove a good place to white balance against.

Great idea. Didn't think of that!

The still frame with the frame blend between the 2 sources looked pretty good. If that is indeed the worst frame you could manually clean up the remaining artifacts (i.e top left of screen).

A combination of all the methods in this thread.

- align the BD over the Judg HDTV.
- Correct HDTV to the BD to make the join dissapear
- Then color correct to remove the magenta push.

Should give you a fairly definitive version of the film.

It might be worth looking through the making of
it's included on most of the DVD releases.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l74zEgHL2uM

Not only does it show the process it took to create the images, it shows examples of unfinished composites and original cells that might prove a little help for a proper recreation of the original colors on the Digital Master.

I wonder what the pixel resolution of the scans & project composite setting we're?

Bare in mind that during this period the render/print to 35mm film techniques from Digital were also still in there relative infancy, and subsequent 35mm release prints we're created using a chemical process which can introduce there own set of variables.

i surpose it all depends on what you are trying to achieve with your project

Thanks for that "making of" link. I found the "computer graphic" fly-over tracking shot for the sequence from the Judgment HDTV a few posts back. Here's the difference between the two after resizing (the forum will probably reduce the graphic to fit the window space, so open the graphic in a new tab to expand it to full size for the details) . .

                                JUDGMENT                                               MAKING OF GITS

That might be useful to me for one of my projects.