They've used the full width of the film in both versions just different vertical cropping to achieve 1.78:1 or 1.66:1.

(2021-09-11, 02:28 PM)Onti Wrote: Why isn't the 1.78:1 frame identical to the 1.66:1 frame but without the black bars?

Sorry but if you wanted the 1.78:1 to be identical to 1.66:1, you have to squeeze one vertically or horizontally to fill all the frame - in that case, why?

Personally, I prefer the bigger frame - talking about Gulliver, 1.66:1 - as it has more image top and bottom; of course the price to pay is to have it pillarbox. Others prefer to have the OAR (Original Aspect Ratio) - dunno in this case which is the right OAR.

The best option? Use the biggest aspect ratio and let the player overlay black bars to get OAR - but in Gulliver case, assuming 1.85:1 is the OAR (and I'm pretty sure it is not) it will end in windowboxed frame - pillarbox first, then letterbox on top of that...

(2021-09-11, 06:26 PM)spoRv Wrote:

(2021-09-11, 02:28 PM)Onti Wrote: Why isn't the 1.78:1 frame identical to the 1.66:1 frame but without the black bars?

Sorry but if you wanted the 1.78:1 to be identical to 1.66:1, you have to squeeze one vertically or horizontally to fill all the frame - in that case, why?

Personally, I prefer the bigger frame - talking about Gulliver, 1.66:1 - as it has more image top and bottom; of course the price to pay is to have it pillarbox. Others prefer to have the OAR (Original Aspect Ratio) - dunno in this case which is the right OAR.

The best option? Use the biggest aspect ratio and let the player overlay black bars to get OAR - but in Gulliver case, assuming 1.85:1 is the OAR (and I'm pretty sure it is not) it will end in windowboxed frame - pillarbox first, then letterbox on top of that...

Suppose we have a full frame scan and we want to crop for 1.78:1 and 1.66:1.

Let’s start, I drop the footage into my 1920x1080 timeline.



The result, 1.78:1:



Now, 1.66:1



The result (black bars: left, right)



I just crop left and right. Now, the 1.78:1 frame is identical to the 1.66:1 frame but without the black bars.

1.78:1 & 1.66:1




1.78:1 & 1.66 (Twilight Time)




IMHO, the 1.66:1 frame is zoomed in (see top and bottom) just to get rid of those black bars. If so, I wonder why.

Like this…



The result (1.78:1 zoomed in and not zoomed in)




Didn't they have a full frame scan? If a full frame scan allows me to frame for 1.78:1, 1.66:1 and 1.85:1 just by cropping…

1.85:1 (the real OAR)



The result (black bars: top and bottom):



Or have they not zoomed in and they are different scans (for 1.78:1 & 1.66:1) ? That's what I'm trying to find out.

More examples, Willy Wonka and the Chocolate Factory…

UHD 4K (1.85:1):



Blu-ray (No black bars, 1.78:1) Different framing, now we see the tie and all the mirror)



Different scans? Zoom again?

(2021-09-17, 02:06 PM)Onti Wrote:

Blu-ray (No black bars, 1.78:1) Different framing, now we see the tie and all the mirror)



Different scans? Zoom again?

The UHD looks like the correct framing to me.