Like the Alamo, the Roadshow cut of this film is lost. Twilight Time did include it in SD as a bonus feature on their Blu-ray, but it could probably use being cut together with the theatrical cut.

I'm not screaming for this... mostly because I've never seen either cut of the movie. Still it's Julie Andrews and Max Von Sydow and I'd prefer to watch the Roadshow first, but I can't find it anywhere.

What's the source on the Blu-ray? Is the film lost, with only old tape transfers left?

(2024-04-30, 04:13 PM)velocity Wrote: What's the source on the Blu-ray? Is the film lost, with only old tape transfers left?

Blu-ray.com Wrote:Original Roadshow Version (480i; 3:08:56). Oh, the horror. Did my old 2 VHS set really look this horrible? One has to assume so, for this has the look of having been taken directly off of an old video master. It's window boxed (i.e., it's not anamorphically enhanced) and there are recurrent video anomalies like aliasing and pixellation in abundance. Still, for completists (like yours truly), it's nice to be able to at least see some of the excised material, as well as to hear even more of Elmer Bernstein's gorgeous score.

I know someone on MySpleen had posted a copy of the laserdisc, but that's dead. I understand those to be from an old print of the film, not any real master.

TCM supposedly plays that cut occasionally. Don't know if their version is any better.

I added the LD to my list. If I can pick up a copy for cheap I can make a solid capture and fix it up.

I did manage to get a copy of the Twilight Time bonus version. It's 480i. Why wouldn't they have deinterlaced it? Weird.
If anyone is interested, PM me and I'll see about remuxing it. It's about 12GB.
There's a single channel DTS-HD MA track as well as a score only stereo DTS-HD MA track. Again, why wouldn't they use that to do a simple upmix?
I think they just didn't care enough to spend any time or money on it.

(2024-05-01, 04:58 AM)Doctor M Wrote: I did manage to get a copy of the Twilight Time bonus version.  It's 480i.  Why wouldn't they have deinterlaced it?  Weird.
If anyone is interested, PM me and I'll see about remuxing it.  It's about 12GB.
There's a single channel DTS-HD MA track as well as a score only stereo DTS-HD MA track.  Again, why wouldn't they use that to do a simple upmix?
I think they just didn't care enough to spend any time or money on it.

A: The film was neither Blown up to 70mm, nor heard in stereo [Though the film's soundtrack was recorded in Stereo and released on LP] * (in short, I'm fine with the film being Mono).
B: Guess MGM/UA thought Heaven's Gate was more relevant to give a second chance (given that the film was a Box Office and Critical Bomb and that Z Channel to show) and more relevant to restore, than the problematic Large Format UA titles back then.
C: We answer your statement on top the thread, we may still have access to the Extended Version of Alamo [I'm no longer refering this as the Roadshow Version or Director's Cut, thanks to Robert Harris stating the 1992 VHS/LDs / 1997 LDs have the replacement shots from the General Release Version (IIRC)] and Roadshow of Hawaii in SD, but the film, etc. The 65mm OCN and Seperation Masters were junked leaving the colors of 70mm Trims or a Print of a longer version's color to fade to red or magenta (worst case scenario).

I believe the question remains, when we are going to see higher resolution versions of the deleted scenes of the Large Format UA Roadshow titles just like we did when the Restored  2013 Mad World '63 came to a success, as well as presenting a letterboxed version of the 156 min version [not counting the Tracked Exit Music, in reality, repeated as Overture] of "The Hallelujah Trail" (1965)

* Although it is marked as Questionable or alleged 70mm release:

"US reserved seat engagement. The print type(s) utilized during the roadshow release of “Hawaii” is unclear and a point of contention since evidence of 70-millimeter blow-up and stereophonic sound prints has been elusive. Seventy-millimeter or stereophonic sound prints of “Hawaii” were not promoted during its original roadshow and general theatrical releases and have never turned up in re-issues, studio asset inventories, film archives, revival and retrospective festivals, private collections, etc., suggesting such prints may have never been made and that its release was strictly 35mm with monaural audio."

Source: in70mm (Mike Coate and Bill Kallay)