[Released] Terminator 2 CDS mix

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Of course a lossless audio file would be better then a lossy one. The preference for the CDS has nothing to do with lossless vs lossy. It's the actual content.

Well of course, maybe my former post lacked lucidity on that point. It is almost only the content for sure and even that "almost" is only left in the sentence just in case anyone will in fact be able to succeed in a blind test distinguishing a DTS core from it's lossless counterpart.

Would I or the others here prefer a true lossless version of the original theatrical mix, coming directly from the master tapes? ABSOLUTELY!!

I'd even dare to say that lacking a lossless source for the CDS mix I consider to be a rather academic problem. After all, even the CDS data would be lossy if we ever get our hands on and I wouldn't trust myself to hear a difference to the original PCM master which also at least "had" to exist somewhere back in the days.

Apologies, I got my wires crossed earlier.

No worries, a relief that I'm not the only one who gets lost in the T2 mixing odyssey.

It's the HD-DVD DTS-MA that had the filtered LFE channel. There was also what looked like noise reduction performed. In general the full bitrate DTS DVD was in better shape.

Very interesting, yet absurd. Thanks for the confirmation. So someone apparently decided to go back to the lossless original and fiddle around with it instead of releasing it "as is" on the BD.

Wow you really did your research!

Well, I have my moments.  

Yeah when monitoring through audacity the surrounds on the DTS DVD playback slightly lower than the AC-3. The content (ie creative choices and mixing decisions) is identical however.

Yes, I can confirm that by now. For the screenshot, I've taken one front channel for the first two tracks and one surround channel for the last two. In the nightmare scene with the thermo-nuclear explosion, the front channels peak about 0.5 dB higher on the DTS track while the surround tracks peak about 3 dB lower. If the levels are different in general, I'd assume it's due to the decoder differences, but here only the surround channels are apprently different, strange.

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I don't know if this is down to dialnorm or possibly some slight range compression on the AC-3 DVD.

Shouln't be due to dialnorm as eac3to explicitly removes/ignores it in order to prevent loudness differences for re-enconding purposes but who knows.

I never did get round to doing an ABX (I watched the laserdisc instead  )

Well, I wonder when I'll get to watch mine which is still in transit.

As for the D-Theater version of T2, it doesn't have the CDS mix.

So which one does it have instead?