"Se7en" color timing

[Beber]

Probably, the best way to get the CCE look (which is the way I'd follow) is to use the first flipped DVD as color reference

I don't have that one, but if a member is willing to share, I'll definitely watch that to compare.

[Stamper]

Great, there is the Belgium DVD which is the Criterion LD master in anamorphic, I documented it in this thread

https://fanrestore.com/thread-1479-post-...l#pid29552

However the print you saw look just like the initial Seven 7 DVD which I documented here

https://fanrestore.com/thread-1479-post-...l#pid29436

I think the print might be close to this as this was made right after the movie ended it's theatrical run, based on an IP or Interneg, by the same company who distributed the film in the theaters.

However, I don't think this is the real look with bleach bypass, which is the Criterion, Belgium DVD.

Here's your print captured with you iPhone



And here's the DVD made from the same company who made the prints



I say we could reconstitute the print look by removing the green cast on the DVD master, bringing back the colors closer to the prints. This DVD was actually a VHS master put on DVD.

[Beber]

The print I saw did have the Metropolitan logo in front of it, just like the 1st DVD released in France by the same company (I also own it). Actually, it does look very similar for the most part, especially when you lower the brigtness on your TV. Some scenes would still be either too warm here, and too cool there. The whites on the DVD are blown out and the dusk sky in the end is not yellow enough compared to the actual print that my pictures fail to render.

[Stamper]

Yep they goofed up a bit the transfer and there's this green cast which shift the colors, sadly we can't fix the clipped highlights it's too bright. Remember it was made for VHS and tube TVs.

[spoRv]

Well, using a BD withouth black crush/white clipping, and using the DVD just as color reference, should lead to a good result.

[Beber]

Yep they fucked up a bit the transfer and there's this green cast which shift the colors, sadly we can't fix the clipped highlights it's too bright. Remember it was made for VHS and tube TVs.

Yeah, but that's not all: the precinct scene with Somerset exposing the 7 deadly sins with the "gluttony" picture in his hand was closer on the print to the New Line Platinum than the Metropolitan DVD. The diner scene with Tracy and Somerset followed by the precinct scene where they recap the case also both looked just like the Platinum. The dusk end also. I'm torn. I'm not sure whether this print was the proper look of the film or not. I wish I had known soon enough when Darius Khondji was a guest at the French Cinémathèque a few months back. I might have had the chance to ask him about all this. They actually screened Se7en at the time in 35 mm. And this is where, by the way, I'll see my 6th screening of this film in 35 mm on October 22nd. So this will probably not be the exact same copy I've already seen as the Cinémathèque tends to save their own copies. Whereas the one print I've already seen 5 times was provided by the distributor to the small theater that screened it as part of a Fincher movie cycle.

Is this the Belgium DVD you were talking about that's supposed to look like the proper printing process ? The backcover states 4.1 audio tracks.
http://www.priceminister.com/mfp/5569037...id=4618100

[spoRv]

Well, the CCE is quite different from the "normal" 35mm print...

[Beber]

Well, the CCE is quite different from the "normal" 35mm print...

But isn't the CEE supposed to be what the Platinum DVD/Canadian open matte/Dutch Blu-ray tried to imitate ? 'Cause if so, then scenes from the Platinum DVD definitely looked very much the same on the print I saw. Not the whole film but scenes did.

[spoRv]

Maybe they try to imitate it (can't say for sure), but they haven't used a CCE telecine like New Line DVD (1997) (or VHS, or Laserdisc); maybe you have watched one (or more) CCE prints, and, as the non-CCE telecined versions could only approximate it, that's the reason why some scenes are close, and others aren't... sorry if it seems a bit convoluted, but it's 2a.m. here, and starting to sleeping while typing!

[Evit]

I haven't bought the Italian BR... yet. It's already on my wishlist though. Waiting for an Amazon sale