[Proposal] The Abyss (1989) BD

[PDB]

I'd love to see a project based the HDTV 16:9 and the 1.90 LD versions. If you can de-logo it, I think that would be a good base to work on for a project.

I'd love to see the LD also since I'm greedy but also since its unique and I'd love to see what you can do with a LD spoRv, now that you have those new up-scaling techniques.

Since the maybe, eventually, possibly future Blu-ray will be 2.35 and look like the Cinemax, those copies will always be unique regardless of what comes out on BD.

[Stamper]

I'm getting the AXN right now. I hope it as english audio and not just german.

[jerryshadoe]

@ Stamper - PM sent regarding the AXN HD 1080 copy

[spoRv]

Yes, AXN HD has colors really close to DVD - sometimes identical, while others noticeably different, but always pretty similar; if its color grading is the *right* one I can't say, but I prefer the other SE HDTV version, so I thought to use the latter as reference to regrade the former; downloading a "clean" SE HDTV, as the two in my HDD are corrupted here and there, and I'm too lazy to find out each corrupted frame...

Just solved partially capture card problem - now I can see preview, even if with stuttering image, but when try to capture program freezes... well, compared the 1.90:1 with the AXN HD; the LD is just a cropped version of the HDTV; grading are similar, but not the same, don't know if it's due to laserdisc different colors, or just because the capture card settings are reset - probably the last option...

[jerryshadoe]

Would you be able to use the 1.90 LD to "patch" the logo on the AXN HD? Or am I ruining your surprise?

[spoRv]

Nope, I'll use the SE HDTV - because the 1.90:1 LD is the TC, while the AXN HD is the SE.

[Stamper]

I'm wondering where this 16/9 HDTV master come from. As far as we know, the Abyss DVD master comes from about 1992 when the LD was made. The japanese HDTV was a different master, but was it supervised by Cameron, or was it just a japanese self remaster from a print?

The 16/9 might have been made at the same time as the original Abyss DVD release, perhaps it was the unmatted version of the master that Lightstorm never authorised to be issued on DVD?

[spoRv]

Can't say for sure, but I don't think a TV broadcaster will never spend money to scan a film print, in particular at the time when high definition telecine cost was very high... so, maybe it's that Lightstorm one you are talking about!

What I can say is that, talking about resolution, if Cinemax quality could be set at 100, and DVD at 50, I could put AXN around 80 and the other SE HDTV 2.35:1 near there; color grading is different for each one.

[Stamper]

Note that the quote was never in the theatrical (1989) cut.
Only on the DC.

There was one T2 japan laserdisc with a completely different print from the one Cameron used on the LDs, so anything is possible. Back in the VHS days, each country had their own scan for their VHS, so no it wasn't out of reach when you're speaking millions of bucks of sales profit. For example, EFNY would have spanish titles in spain, etc.

[spoRv]

Just finished to watch the AXN open matte version; although details are not on par with the Cinemax, overall quality is very good, and I think it has the best color grading... can't say it's the *right* one, but many scenes are very similar to Cinemax, while the ones that seems off on the latter, is due to the usual "tealization"...