[Help] Correct Bad Frame Rate Conversion

[deleted user]

masktools throws this weird colorspace error at times and while it claims to accept yv24 in my experience it only accepts yv12

I guess yadifmod does some colorspace conversion

So maybe add another converttoyv12 before the srestore call

[Chewtobacca]

^ Yeah, that was my guess earlier in the thread, but it seems not to be the case.

CSchmidlapp, try using AviSynth's internal Bob() filter. It's low quality, but it should rule out the deinterlacer's being the problem. And I've just noticed that you are using the MT version of AviSynth; try the standard one.

[CSchmidlapp]

I tried your suggestions guys but still no luck!
Ive reinstalled/installed Avisynth back to its original non MT version and I'm going to go through all the plugins and reinstall them and there dependency's. I'm sure it's something stupid on my part but I'm baffled.

[CSchmidlapp]

So im looking through an old project of mine for 'The Killer' where I was using a PAL DVD as my souce.
The same master was used by Dragon Dynasty but encoded completely wrong!

By the looks of it they took the 25fps interlaced (50i) and converted it straight to 29.976 fps interlaced (60i)!
I have no idea why they didn't de-interlace an slowdown to 24fps but it is what it is.

What would you guys do to try and reverse this to get it back to 23.976 fps?

I know Iceprick a member here had some success but has said himself it could be improved upon.
Any advice would be great as its the best quality master out there and there are no signs of another release at the moment.

[SpaceBlackKnight]

The Dragon Dynasty The Killer BD is also an 576i upscale, as is Hard Boiled (which is thankfully 24fps but seemingly a 480p source) and the German Chinese Ghost Story BDs (slowed down to 24fps converted from 576i 25fps, but with interlacing issues). These masters all came from from a German company called Atlas International, if one notices the pattern.

I had thought there was a European BD somewhere with the Atlas International master in better quality without nasty ghosting, but I had found out the Italian Cult Media BD is the Fortune Star master which is also an upscale with it's own issues, but fortunately runs the proper 24fps and still looks miles ahead of the DD BD. I had heard of old German and Austrian HDTV airings of The Killer with the Atlas master, but I imagine they're hard to find HDTV rips of anywhere given most HD rips at such places are using the BDs.

[CSchmidlapp]

The Atlas International master is HD (I always referred to it as the EMS print due to its German release, but Atlas would be the better description), probably not resolving at 1080 but HD non the less.
The Fortune Star master(s) ive got (HK and Japan) are both pretty shabby, there true 24p sure but garbage when it comes to everything else!
Color's way off, the worse blown out highlights Ive ever seen, and Light leak from the poor scan over the left side of the image to name the worst offenders!
I was using it for the original open credits on the last attempt at my project.

The Atlas in terms of resolution and overall picture quality easily wins.
Ive not seen the Italian BD but it sounds like the same FS master and more of the same.

A HDTV airing would be nice, but Ive never come over any the past 10 years.
All we really need as a 'straight' copy of the Atlas master to work from that we could do our own de-Interlace and speed adjustments ect.
I'm just hopping at this point that The Killer is on the 2k or 4k remaster slate from Fortune Star.

[SpaceBlackKnight]

The Atlas International master is HD (I always referred to it as the EMS print due to its German release, but Atlas would be the better description), probably not resolving at 1080 but HD non the less.

Are you certain it's real HD? The source on the Dragon Dynasty BD (also used for streaming on Itunes Canada and Netflix all in 1080p believe it or not) sure looked like a 576i master uprezed, but somehow had a microscopic pinch more detail than the EMS DVD (as it has less MPEG-2 compression being the DD is AVC). On BD.com, I had wrote in the Police Story Criterion thread on how soft and smeary that master looked and also noted how Hard Boiled looks about the same being all low res soft and smeary, minus the ghosting of course. Then finding out about the German Chinese Ghost Story BDs (which are supplied from Atlas and not only look almost as bad as the DD Killer BD, but are definitely upscales as they're not only soft and smeary but have interlacing combing artifacts visible if you look hard enough) lead to the conclusion that Atlas International's early HD masters of anything is for the most part, uprezed combing garbage. Even their German BD of The Quiet Earth was a shoddy 576i upscale (no joke), and the 2009 Intergrove German BD of The Reflecting Skin, which uses a German dubbed theatrical print opening with an Atlas logo, was also an uprez of some sort with it's MPEG-2 encode not helping matters ether.

[CSchmidlapp]

The Atlas International master is HD (I always referred to it as the EMS print due to its German release, but Atlas would be the better description), probably not resolving at 1080 but HD non the less.

Are you certain it's real HD? The source on the Dragon Dynasty BD (also used for streaming on Itunes Canada and Netflix all in 1080p believe it or not) sure looked like a 576i master uprezed, but somehow had a microscopic pinch more detail than the EMS DVD (as it has less MPEG-2 compression being the DD is AVC). On BD.com, I had wrote in the Police Story Criterion thread on how soft and smeary that master looked and also noted how Hard Boiled looks about the same being all low res soft and smeary, minus the ghosting of course. Then finding out about the German Chinese Ghost Story BDs (which are supplied from Atlas and not only look almost as bad as the DD Killer BD, but are definitely upscales as they're not only soft and smeary but have interlacing combing artifacts visible if you look hard enough) lead to the conclusion that Atlas International's early HD masters of anything is for the most part, uprezed combing garbage. Even their German BD of The Quiet Earth was a shoddy 576i upscale (no joke), and the 2009 Intergrove German BD of The Reflecting Skin, which uses a German dubbed theatrical print opening with an Atlas logo, was also an uprez of some sort with it's MPEG-2 encode not helping matters ether.

It's hard to say Im 100% due to all the facts you are stating.
A PAL SD master at 576i is not far off the HD resolution of 720, so an upscale could easly make it look (at least) resolve at that.

It has a 'HD Mastered' on the EMS DVD and certainly looks like it has been encoded from a resolution higher than SD.
The DD has all kinds of problems and one of them is some DNR that has not just smudged it but left a bizarre grain structure behind! I thought this was more of a reason alot of the detail was killed, in an already old HD transfer.
A upscale DVD (Ive tried a variety of methods) and the DD disc side by side to my eyes still shows more detail present in the DD transfer.

I agree the MPEG 2 compression may indeed be the reason, Ive seen some pretty decent uncompressed SD footage in my time.

But sadly it still means the DD Disc is the highest quality version we have access to.
And that is a pretty sad thing to admit.

(Outside of the other problems, it kind of reminded me of the original Batman Begins Master that was no way 1080 but not SD either.)

[CSchmidlapp]

I'm also having a problem with syncing rear window Dvd audio (better quality) to the bluray in mkvtoolnix
The Audio keeps drifting out of sync
Dvd is 29.97 blu ray is 23976
Anyone know what settings I can use?

This thread is more to do with Video framerate conversion problems in video bud.

Are you sure the BD is 23.976 and not 24 fps?

[zoidberg]

I've seen a few early ancient HD masters that have that strange vertical grain/compression whatever you want to call it.

Nothing about the Dragon Dynasty blu ray makes any sense to me