Point Break (1991) Original Dolby Surround 2.0 Mix and 4.1 mix

[BDgeek]

I was feeling a bit nostalgic about Point Break, so I came across this thread in a search for the best source for original audio to watch it with.

First of all, thanks dwalkerdon, for providing the DVD track, I'll compare them to the ones on the Pure Adrenalin Edition BD.

Has anyone got any concrete information on the LD PCM track? Withouht it, I belive the 4.0 on the BD should be the best option, right?

[BDgeek]

To follow up on my previous post, I compared these tracks to the FOX BD DTS-HD MA 5.1 and 4.0 tracks on audacity.

The multichanel mixes themselves are very similar, if not the same. The DVD 4.1 is basically the BD 4.0 with bass extracted to a separate chanel and the 5.1 splits the surrounds in two chanels with the same information (in other words, it's mono surround)

So the main difference is in the dynamics and they are significant. The BD 4.0 is clearly the worst, with compressed dynamics and high frequencies roll off. The 5.1 is much better in these regards.

The DVD tracks seem to be the best, showcasing even higher dynamics than the 5.1 lossless track.

Thanks again dwalkerdon for these great tracks!

[Doctor M]

To follow up on my previous post, I compared these tracks to the FOX BD DTS-HD MA 5.1 and 4.0 tracks on audacity.

The multichanel mixes themselves are very similar, if not the same. The DVD 4.1 is basically the BD 4.0 with bass extracted to a separate chanel and the 5.1 splits the surrounds in two chanels with the same information (in other words, it's mono surround)

So the main difference is in the dynamics and they are significant. The BD 4.0 is clearly the worst, with compressed dynamics and high frequencies roll off. The 5.1 is much better in these regards.

The DVD tracks seem to be the best, showcasing even higher dynamics than the 5.1 lossless track.

Thanks again dwalkerdon for these great tracks!

Good information. It's still possible the BD 4.0 is pretty much the original theatrical mix and digital jiggery-pokery is responsible for the 5.1's enhancements.
That still doesn't mean the 5.1 track probably isn't better, but there are people that prefer 'faithful' to 'improved'.

Although I believe the newer BD has more compression on the video so it fits on BD25 with the previous release being a BD50.

[BDgeek]

Thanks Doctor M!

I do believe the DVD tracks are not only more faithful but also better sounding.

The Fox BD indeed has better compressoin, this can be objectively preceived on the caps-a-holic comparison. However, since the original master seems to come from an old scan, looking very soft and possibly filtered, the differences are not all that great. So, the FOX BD is still the superior presentation so far.

[Doctor M]

Are you saying the DVD's 4.0 (4.1?) track is better than the BD 4.0 track? At the very least you'd expect identical.

[CSchmidlapp]

Is there a PCM 2.0 LD capture around?

[BDgeek]

Are you saying the DVD's 4.0 (4.1?) track is better than the BD 4.0 track?  At the very least you'd expect identical.

Yes indeed DoctoM, the dynamics are significantly higher.

Since the DVD 4.1 is already available here, if anyone is interested on the BD 4.0 I can provide it. The delay is +440ms for the DVD tracks to sync with the FOX Pure Adrenalin Edition

[Hydra Spectre]

4.1 orignal mix? I highly doubt that.
It's either a 4.0 mix, mixed into a 2 channel layout onto an optical track or a 6 track for 70mm projection, which usually was 5 front channels and 1 back channel. Please correct me if I'm wrong. But a 4.1 discrete mix was never in theaters for this particular movie.

4.1 (actually 4.2 but the two bass channels are identical) is the usual layout for the more modern Dolby Stereo 70mm.
Dolby Stereo 70mm was also available with split surrounds for a 5.1 layout but 5.1 Dolby Stereo films are a bit rarer, some of these films are Top Gun, Alien 3, Indiana Jones and the Last Crusade, Apocalypse Now, Superman: The Movie, and The Black Cauldron.

[Doctor M]

Anyone know if the upcoming ShoutFactory 4k release will have the original 4.1 track?

[Doctor M]

I see that the ShoutFactory 2k disc is going to have a DTS-HD MA 2.0 track. Fingers crossed...
So what is currently the best track, the DVD 4.1?