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Restoration tips: PaNup™
#11
Okay, I have no idea what you're talking about or how your method works.

This is what I would do...

The largest common factor between the two images is 96, of course, so I can could count the PAL as being separated into 96 sections of 720x6, and the NTSC as being separated into 96 sections of 720x5. In theory that would apply across the whole image, so I no longer need to consider my sources as being 720x576 and 720x480, but merely as being 720x6 and 720x5. In the upscale I'm going to want to double the resolution of one of the sources, probably chosen by whichever of the two looks better to begin with. This is because a doubling means I can still retain more quality from the "better" source, let's say those are the even lines (for argument's sake). I'll then want to take the other format source and upscale it to the same amount - so either 720x960 or 720x1152. I'll then use crop and interleave to leave myself with 720x12 or 720x10, and then split fields to 720x6 and 720x5, from which I'd use a specially designed mask to blend together the odd fields (weighted towards the one that provides more detail), and then put it all back together. From there I'd run a clean-up filter like QTGMC to remove any artefacts (i.e. aliasing). Without actually writing a script and running it, I'd estimate the increase in vertical resolution to be around 20% (depending on the quality of the sources), and mathematically speaking it seems like the optimal way to extract the "extra information" from the secondary SD source.
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#12
Ok, my head just exploded.
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#13
@Valeyard: you are right, but it works only with PERFECTLY aligned sources, spatially...

Welcome aboard, by the way!
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#14
I think the application is quite limited though, since you're assuming you have PAL and NTSC downscale from a 2k (or higher) source, but no HDTV or Bluray, etc, source for the HD downscale.
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#15
The pictures I used in the first post are only examples, as written clearly, and it will be really hard to find out real sources that will be 100% spatially aligned like them!

Usually - to say the truth, almost always - they are not in both directions, so I take the source with more details (if any) on sides, and upscale it without cropping if possible, then resize the other source accordingly; you can take a look at the two examples at the end of the first post: http://fanres.com/showthread.php?tid=25&pid=66#pid66

The Abyss is not that good, because PAL has lower quality than NTSC, but still a little bit better than the sole NTSC source; at the contrary, AVP:R is quite good IMHO.

So you are right, there are very limited occasions to use this technique... think to PaNup as the last resource when there are no other options to use for a final HD version of a video but two SD sources... indeed, I used the AVP:R PaNup'ed clips - totalling about 30 seconds - for my own project, and it passed the exam! Wink
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#16
New PaNup test: http://screenshotcomparison.com/comparison/109915
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#17
Well see, a lot of the time SD sources were made by running the film through a telecine (which produces SD), and then doing that again for the next format - since back in ye olde times it was simpler/cheaper than converting from PAL to NTSC or vice-versa. As you may note in my comparison of Exorcist 1. You could still use "PaNup" with such sources once you've realigned them, corrected the brightness, gamma and saturation, assuming of course that the it was made from the same film source (since if it wasn't the cropping and frame position may change scene-by-scene/reel-by-reel). And in the case of the Exorcist you'd also want to code in an exception for the dark areas to come only from your NTSC source since the PAL version doesn't contribute any detail in that regard. It's certainly doable in any-case.
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#18
Latest example, using PaNup with SuperResolution

comparison between the used sources

PAL LD - Bicubic Vs NTSC LD - Bicubic:
http://screenshotcomparison.com/comparison/125555

comparison between each source and final result

PAL LD - Bicubic Vs LD MagicSR:
http://screenshotcomparison.com/comparison/125557

NTSC LD - Bicubic Vs LD MagicSR:
http://screenshotcomparison.com/comparison/125558

(thanks to DrDre for the inputs on SuperResolution)
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#19
Wow, it looks great!

But I think darkness can hide defects. Could you do the same on a daylight scene?

Or maybe try it with another source... I don't know... maybe the deleted scenes of Hypercube? Rolleyes
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(2015-05-06, 12:44 PM)jedeitor Wrote: Or maybe try it with another source... I don't know... maybe the deleted scenes of Hypercube?  Rolleyes

I knew it... Big Grin
About SW: I retrieved these old clips from an even older HDD... and I used them following SW threads on OT!
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