The new 4K unfortunatley has a new 'near field' remix that is meant to be less dynamic. I was thinking of syncing the audio from one of the older BD's but thought I'd check to see if anyone had access to the CDTS first?

I don't think this one had a DTS mix. Dolby Digital only. I'd be interested in how the audio from older releases compares.

The original Universal DVD had a DTS track. That might be the best version on home video.

I'm very interested in fiding the best audio option for this movie. The recent cap-a-holic comparison showed that the Studio Canal UHD is much superior to the Criterion one, which in comparison, seems to be very much filtered loosing much of the finer grain structure.

Turisu,

being a Universal Pictures release in the US, wouldn't it be very probable to have a DTS theatrical release?

They were very much a force behind the format in the 90'ies and early 00's

It only has Dolby Digital at the tail end of the credits. All signs point to no DTS on this one for whatever reason.

To update; the 5.1 track from the Criterion BD does appear to be superior to the UHD. By comparison the Criterion UHD 5.1 has boosted C and LFE channels which makes it look a lot more like a near-field mix of the BD track. It's also had everything at 16kHz aggressively scrubbed to remove the '16kHz line'.

I haven't compared the StudioCanal 5.1 track yet but I'm hoping to and whichever is the better I will sync to the UHD. But what does everybody think about this? :



I think it's reasonable to assume that this was not considered when the BD/UHD mixes were being created so should I abide by Mr. Lynch's wishes and up the gain of the synced track by +3dB?

As long as it doesn't cause clipping I say go for it! I remember seeing this in a large cinema when it came out and the car crash early on was LOUD

So the plot thickens...

When the BD 5.1 is boosted by 3dB it starts to look a lot like the UHD 5.1.

A 3Db boost to the BD 5.1 actually does cause clipping. Also Criterion posted the above image to their FB page as a teaser for the BD release suggesting they were aware of Lynch's specification.

So if you'll indulge me in some speculation:

- Criterion realised that they couldn't apply Lynch's 3dB boost to the original mix without clipping so for the BD they left the mix as is with the intention that anyone who wanted to could just turn up their volume as Lynch originally intended.

- For the UHD they went a different way. Here Lynch's 3dB boost was applied to the track but without increasing the peak amplitude thus avoiding clipping but resulting in compressed dynamic range compared to the original track.

So two different solutions to the same problem. The first is likely to be preferable as it most faithfully replicates the sound of the theatrical presentation. So I should leave the BD mix unboosted for the synced track.

Oh and the SC UHD 5.1 is identical to the Criterion UHD 5.1.

I second alexpeden2000 comments. If of doesn't result in clipping.

If if does clip, that could mean Mr. Lynch might have had his wish granted on the home video front. Since there was more time to prep those after theatrical release.

(2021-12-17, 08:34 PM)Turisu Wrote: So the plot thickens...

When the BD 5.1 is boosted by 3dB it starts to look a lot like the UHD 5.1.

A 3Db boost to the BD 5.1 actually does cause clipping. Also Criterion posted the above image to their FB page as a teaser for the BD release suggesting they were aware of Lynch's specification.

So if you'll indulge me in some speculation:

- Criterion realised that they couldn't apply Lynch's 3dB boost to the original mix without clipping so for the BD they left the mix as is with the intention that anyone who wanted to could just turn up their volume as Lynch originally intended.

- For the UHD they went a different way. Here Lynch's 3dB boost was applied to the track but without increasing the peak amplitude thus avoiding clipping but resulting in compressed dynamic range compared to the original track.

So two different solutions to the same problem. The first is likely to be preferable as it most faithfully replicates the sound of the theatrical presentation. So I should leave the BD mix unboosted for the synced track.

Oh and the SC UHD 5.1 is identical to the Criterion UHD 5.1.

Interesting find. I agree it's better to just leave the BD audio at current levels.

I'm thinking I'll do two versions. One with the boost and one without. The reason being that instances of clipping are very few. Also it's not uncommon for theatrical DTS tracks to have some clipping baked-into them.