(2024-06-19, 10:47 PM)borisanddoris Wrote: I'm a little confused on the source for the theatrical mix.  It states Dolby Digital but I thought all home AC3 mixes were remixes, even if they were gentle ones.  I've done the cinema DTS but they make no mention of that there.

i sent a message to croweyes asking him about what he used for the audio but no reply yet, i assume it's laserdisc as the only other original mixes are on vhs and the lazydisc dvd

se7en has had dialouge changed/obfuscated/revealed for the remastered dvds, and then it's different from the dvds on the blurays aswell. hard to say all the exact differences since it's not very well documented online but there's a few mentions of it here and there, but that's what i ment with the theatrical part

It's probably more accurate to describe the LD mix for Se7en as a near-field mix, where the spread and dynamic range have been adjusted but the overall channel content remains untouched, however I do not know the film well enough to know if this is the case here.

Whereas the 6.1EX/ES mixes for the Platinum DVD are a new mix with changes to effects placement and (I think) new/different sound effects in certain places. Both home mixes (Criterion/New Line Platnum) were supervised by Ren Klyce

(2024-06-21, 11:01 AM)zoidberg Wrote: It's probably more accurate to describe the LD mix for Se7en as a near-field mix, where the spread and dynamic range have been adjusted but the overall channel content remains untouched, however I do not know the film well enough to know if this is the case here.

Whereas the 6.1EX/ES mixes for the Platinum DVD are a new mix with changes to effects placement and (I think) new/different sound effects in certain places. Both home mixes (Criterion/New Line Platnum) were supervised by Ren Klyce

That seems spot on.  The LD mixes all sound pretty good albeit I've not heard the DTS pressing.  The cinema DTS is definitely a bit more powerful though.  It's a wonderful mix.

(2024-06-21, 10:46 AM)kiyoakiwah Wrote: i sent a message to croweyes asking him about what he used for the audio but no reply yet, i assume it's laserdisc as the only other original mixes are on vhs and the laserdisc port dvd

so it's from the original dvd. interesting

https://youtu.be/KPOuJGkpblk?si=iFfgupmtSQp_Gzjv

(2024-11-21, 03:18 PM)dvdmike Wrote: https://youtu.be/KPOuJGkpblk?si=iFfgupmtSQp_Gzjv

Hot take:

It looks…a bit too clean. It doesn’t feel gritty. Call me skeptical but I won’t judge a YouTube preview.

(2024-11-21, 07:37 PM)borisanddoris Wrote:

(2024-11-21, 03:18 PM)dvdmike Wrote: https://youtu.be/KPOuJGkpblk?si=iFfgupmtSQp_Gzjv

Hot take:

It looks…a bit too clean. It doesn’t feel gritty. Call me skeptical but I won’t judge a YouTube preview.

some times it looks clean, sometimes it seems like there's grain - youtube compression will destroy any resemblance of detail even at 4k so i'm waiting on the BD

It wasn't even the grain question...the color timing and contrast just don't feel right. The Criterion LD is my gold standard and given the nature of its production, it feels a lot closer to what the show prints may have looked like. This feels like it's building on the old BD. The old BD was fine but definitely re-imagined from a visual perspective.

(2024-11-21, 08:40 PM)borisanddoris Wrote: It wasn't even the grain question...the color timing and contrast just don't feel right. The Criterion LD is my gold standard and given the nature of its production, it feels a lot closer to what the show prints may have looked like. This feels like it's building on the old BD. The old BD was fine but definitely re-imagined from a visual perspective.

That's the issue and if it's park circus again I won't be happy.
Fincher loves to change his stuff.

“We’re going back and doing it in 4K from the original negative, and we overscan it, oversample it, doing all of the due diligence, and there’s a lot of shit that needs to be fixed […]  Because there’s a lot of stuff that we now can add because of high dynamic range. You know, streaming media is a very different thing than 35mm motion picture negative in terms of what it can actually retain. So there are, you know, a lot of blown-out windows that we have to kind of go back and ghost in a little bit of cityscape out there.”

I get that he's a perfectionist but... I'm wondering when things like this go from unintrusive to revisionist.