From Film to Delivery.

[PDB]

Phenomena has been on my long list as a project for these very reasons.

If you look at the reviews of the day in the US (for Creepers) more than a few critics made notes of the blue lights and gels. Particularly, when compared to the more varied colors of Suspira and Inferno. Couple that with Don May's dedication to get the Argento movies right, I'm more inclined to believe the Synapse release is closer to the "true" colors than the Arrow release.

The Arrow's colors are poor in comparison. With its modern green and yellow mix, I wonder if it wasn't scanned by our Italian friends who are known for imparting that look on many a cult film they scan.

The superior detail of the Arrow with the superior color of the Synapse is a match made in heaven...or a dark pit.

[LucasGodzilla]

Going back to Hellraiser real fast actually. I was watching through it when I just noticed this shot.

I don't know if it's just me, but is the color grading in this shot akin to a faded Kodak print?

[deleted user]

Dunno about faded or print, but it reminds me a bit of Kodachrome. Kodachrome slides used to have a unique emulsion that resulted in the final slide containing silver, while normal slide films just contain dye, which gave it more "solid" blacks of sorts. They also almost didn't fade at all, from what I understand. Had the lucky opportunity to take a few Kodachrome pictures myself before the processing finally stopped.

Of course maybe you mean something different, but that's what I thought of.

[LucasGodzilla]

Of course maybe you mean something different, but that's what I thought of.

It's probably just me then but it looks like there's a reddish hue to the scene that just gives me that impression (Please note, I'm not actually saying I think it's a faded print scan or anything, I just think the digital color grade is bad).

[PDB]

This fits perfectly into this thread.

People might not know that Greig Fraser, the cinematographer of both Dune and The Batman is using a new, interesting technique. He shot both Dune and Batman on Arri Alexa LF and the newer Mini LF. Both of those are Arri's digital 65mm sensor sized cameras. But what is interesting is he had both transferred to 35mm and then scanned again to create the master. So the end result was a digtally shot film with the softness, grain and contrast of a 35mm film. Pretty cool method, if you ask me. Here is a video on the whys:

Short Version
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TK8BgU7iI1w

Long Version
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=16P5kvDZnlg

Some more reading
https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/movies...235011592/
https://ymcinema.com/2021/12/03/dune-was...o-digital/
https://nofilmschool.com/Dune-Digital-Film-Process
https://lwlies.com/articles/cpc-london-t...m-to-35mm/

A nice look on Greig Fraser
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_8SJvQhvRsQ

Only thing I can't wrap my head around was he said Dune was transfer and scanned as a negative but Batman was scanned as an IP. That would seem to say either Batman was color graded as film (which is what an IP is) or they wanted the generation loss?

[PDB]

And speaking of the Arri 65mm cameras, here is a nice rundown on sensor sizes

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zdU0Hxt-ffw

[stwd4nder2]

I really like the end result of how Dune looked. I'm sure you could convince someone it was shot on film if they didn't know better.
I hope to see this method used more often in modern films.

[zoidberg]

CPC in London run a service where digital files can be printed to 35mm and then scanned, again to give the footage a more analogue look. It's my understanding that positive print stock is incredibly slow with an extremely fine grain structure (much like intermediate stocks), so there must be more to the process than just adding some grain. More about adding "an imperceptible amount of diffusion" to quote Laszlo Kovacs

[PDB]

Alexa has a new full frame 35 sensor camera coming out. One interesting feature is that it now has "Texture" settings so not only can you add color profile during filming but now you can add "grain" directly into the image while shooting and control the sharpness. Allowing to to more replicate a film look while filming instead of during color correction.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Lr4cP6oWFk

[PDB]

SC has a short doc on the restoration of the Doctor Who movies

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wS1YLfhLIwc