The Little Mermaid - help needed with LD PCM...

[titanic]

I have that one too... It's decent but only 720p and low bitrate

I'm wondering if there are any other sources.

So, your 1080p non-logo one is better I assume? And it has grain?
I admit I haven't found one except the one I said in a previous post with the Disney logo.

[jerryshadoe]

yeah, it's much better but interestingly it's the 1080i with logo version that has some grain in-tact in certain scenes. this would have to be fixed for final encode by applying a real 35mm film grain plate at just the right level. I have no idea where I found this 1080p non-logo copy. I know it was a few years ago and that it's just been sitting on one of my backup HDDs. I surf the web for forums in all languages and sometimes find certain gems there that are not available anywhere else because they usually only have a localized audio track included.

[jolennon]

Could someone please check if the non-logo version is accurate on the "Ursula becoming Vanessa" scene? If I'm not wrong DON's version contain a logo during the blast @ 17s
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gtjxrHQYt6g

[jerryshadoe]

You are right about the logo in DON's 720p version, as can be seen in these two screenshots I just took:

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[nirbateman]

I actually find, that the Bluray video is the best of the bunch.
It has the grainiest image and the color scheme just seems better to me.

[titanic]

Oh, Wow! i hadn't noticed the logo at DON version!

I actually find, that the Bluray video is the best of the bunch.
It has the grainiest image and the color scheme just seems better to me.

Yes, I would like the BLuray too, if it hadn't misplaced the opening credits.
The fact that "walt disney pictures" doesn't coincide with a musical effect on the score (as it was supposed to be), bugs me.

[nirbateman]

Well, there was a 720p Web-dl version with the 3 major errors of the Bluray fixed.
I suppose inserts of that version could be resized and put back where they should be.

Except for the swapped "Part of your world" shots which can be losslessly fixed.

[titanic]

Well, there was a 720p Web-dl version with the 3 major errors of the Bluray fixed.
I suppose inserts of that version could be resized and put back where they should be.

Except for the swapped "Part of your world" shots which can be losslessly fixed.

There was also a fixed Bluray, but didn't fix the opening credits error..

[jerryshadoe]

Well, there was a 720p Web-dl version with the 3 major errors of the Bluray fixed.
I suppose inserts of that version could be resized and put back where they should be.

Except for the swapped "Part of your world" shots which can be losslessly fixed.

I have searched all over the internet for this "web-dl" version and have found nothing. Are you sure you're not talking about the 720p DON version? It has all the major errors fixed, including the opening credits, but the source is actually an HDTV copy.

As far as the general topic of blu-ray vs HDTV copies:
I am NOT saying that the blu-ray is bad, BUT (aside from some of the errors) the color-palette of the blu-ray is slightly different than the HDTV copy where the HDTV copy seems to me more like what I saw in the theater.  I was lucky enough to see this in the theater on 9 different occasions between it's release in 1989 and 1991. Maybe it's the fact that the HDTV copy has the 35mm film grain present that makes it so appealing to me. It's the way I remember the film and this might be the issue for me with the bluray. I will do some more comparison tests, including just adding a real 35mm film grain plate onto the bluray footage and see what works best for me. There are multiple comparisons on youtube showing the differences between the VHS, first DVD/LD, second DVD and bluray versions as far as color-timing is concerned. the one thing that bothers me about it is that I can't find a comparison with the HDTV (which I might just have to do myself) OR with an actual 35mm print as this would show what the "real" colors were in the theater which is what I'm looking for.

For those interested, here are some interesting comparisons that I found (the audio is from the Brazilian Portuguese edition, but that doesn't matter for the video):

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MorOqg_W-vw

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9JYb-brfuvc

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XLXBhpBg5sA

SO FANRES ONLY LET'S ME DO THREE VIDEO PER PSOT AND I"M SPLITTING THIS POST IN TWO...

STAY TUNED, LOL...

[jolennon]

There's a fixed Blu-ray version (released by DON), but it seems it's not a rip of the fixed Blu-ray
These would be the differences between DON's fixed encode and fixed BD (according to me and an YouTube user, which watched the Blu-ray)

fxDON:
Fade when Ariel first visits Scuttle - UNCORRECTED.
Part of Your World scene / flipped shots - CORRECTED. Shots are in the proper order again.
Torn film when Eric and Ariel leap from huge Ursula - CORRECTED.

fxBD:
Fade when Ariel first visits Scuttle - CORRECTED. It is now a fade instead of a cut as it should be.
Part of Your World scene / flipped shots - CORRECTED. Shots are in the proper order again.
Torn film when Eric and Ariel leap from huge Ursula - UNCORRECTED.

By the way, there are some differences between 2006 (Platinum) and 2013 (Diamond) versions, as you can see in the video below
Some are tweaks made by Disney and some are changes which corrected other tweaks made by Disney in 2006, making it look like it did in theaters in '89
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qXpk-YHH03o
I won't talk about the opening logo, you might know which one is the original
00:35... - Diamond stars after all home video versions released until then.
00:52... - Titles were changed in the Diamond version, probably because of the new 3D conversion
01:17... - The "Silver Screen Partners IV" no longer appears, other error in the Diamond version
02:22... - Platinum had shell colors changed from blue to green. - Back to normal in Diamond version
02:37... - Fade no longer appeared in the BD version.(BUT it was corrected on the replacement program). It's written on IMDB that the "no-fade" version it's the re-release from 1997/98, altough the 99 DVD contains the fade
03:00... - Corrected on the replacement program.
03:20... - Disney fixed an original mistake involving cel animation. Platinum seems right, but Diamond is true to the theatrical version.
03:37... - Diamond has a glitch which may look like a print damage (?). It wasn't corrected on the replacement program, but it was fixed on DON's encode)

Last thing before I shut my mouth: I was thinking of making a score audio to merge into the movie, mixing Disney's Legacy Collection and EmpireSB's scores.
It would be something like this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_XU2VPt9HTw