35mm VS 70mm Mixes (And where to find them?)

[Stamper]

I find this boom mix thing interesting.

Rather than containing only isolated instances of bass derived entirely from the sound effects, as is now customary, the boom channel contains a sum of all the bass from the entire mix, low-pass filtered at 125 Hz, and plays continuously throughout the entire movie.

It completely fits the Image DVD Terminator 2.1 mix.

Could it be this mix was created for a re-release, and ended up on DVD because why not?

[spoRv]

...low-pass filtered at 125 Hz...

Actually CDS' LFE was 20Hz-100Hz +/- .5dB

[LucasGodzilla]

Could it be this mix was created for a re-release, and ended up on DVD because why not?

I doubt it was from a theatrical re-release but I could see it as a sort of home media attempt at downfolding the original CDS 6-track surround mix to something stereo-friendly. But that's just me blindly guessing as I know nothing about this 2.1 mix personally. It would be interesting to see a spectrogram comparison between it and one of the confirmed CDS surround tracks though.

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Speaking of a spectrogram comparison, here's something a bit interesting...

Stereo


Surround

It looks like there is some truth to that one post regarding The Abyss SE stereo vs surround mix—WHICH I HAVE FOUND THE ORIGINAL POST FOR NOW.

Definately go for the Director's Cut. The theatrical cut is so gutted that the ending of the film is positively out of left field.

One suggestion, however, is to use the 2.0 Surround track (which is on by default) for the director's cut, not the 5.1 track. The 5.1 track, being based on the 70mm mix from the theatrical release, was sloppily tacked on to the Director's Cut on this video releae, actually bringing in line readings from the theatrical cut that had no place in the Director's Cut and causing some very jarring music cuts between the score from the original and the score from the Special Edition in the final scenes.

The 2.0 track, on the other hand, comes straight from the 35mm film prints of the Special Edition and is a mix specifically created for this version of the film.

-Lyle J.P.

Quickly skipping to some spot where I know the DVD branches, I listened to the sequence where Deepcore rises out of the ocean in the movie's resolution and I can definitely hear what was being described. On the stereo mix, the newer score by Robert Garrett is much more encompassing and weaves between the original Alan Silvestri score with way more finesse than the surround mix.

[zoidberg]

I did a rip and sync of my US T2 AC3 LaserDisc pressing in hopes to compare it with other sources, but never got around to it. My ears always told me it was better, but I'd be interested for someone to more scientifically compare them. I also got the LPCM track too and that's the real star of the show: it sounds phenomenal!

Would you say the 2.0 is a fold-down of the 5.1 track on the LD? If so then it can be said that earlier LDs have the 35mm matrixed surround mix.

With regards to CDS it was a remarkably ambitious system, essentially lossless discrete digital audio on film. The research done by Kodak to enable printing the data at sufficient density laid the groundwork for Dolby and Sony's systems. The obvious problem was the complete lack of backup audio resulting in complete silence during dropouts.

According to Disclord (and I'm sure it's referenced on the UE DVD) the CDS mix was an entirely separate mix as compared to 6-track mag CDS was capable of lower bass and greater dynamic range.

[Stamper]

I think The Abyss 5.1 from the DVD is an after the fact redo (as noted), remember at the time, they remixed T2 too, (and in fact, the T2 remix has officially replaced the original mix everywhere except for fan preservations).

If you want the original soundmix, go for the 2.0 as noted, or better, the LD sync. I think (but not sure) the R4 DTS track is the real 5.1 mix? Or is it just the DD 5.1 redo in DTS?

[zoidberg]

(and in fact, the T2 remix has officially replaced the original mix everywhere except for fan preservations)

DCP screenings do not use the remix, it's almost certainly the CDS mix although the bass levels are off

[Stamper]

Actually nope! (sadly) I checked out a DCP back then (a friend work in a large cinema in Paris), the french DCPs used the remix without bass. I saw it on 3 different screening, and same thing.

[zoidberg]

OK so you're referring to the French dub Stamper? Because I've seen the 3D and remastered 2D DCP's in the UK twice each and it is definitely not the Rydstrom 5.1EX remix for the Ultimate Edition DVD. As I've said on here before it's insanely dynamic, pretty much on the edge of being painful, similar content to the CDS mix on the Live DVD/LD, just strangely lacking in deep bass

[Stamper]

Nope, english language. It's easy to tell because in the beginning when the resistance fire at the machines, one music moment is dropped on the remix, that play continuously on the original mix.

[zoidberg]

Interesting