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Rumble in The Bronx, Film Whisperer reconstruction AND Film Whisperer edit re-upload
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Hello folks.

HAPPY NEW YEAR!

So, it appears that my Rumble in The Bronx reconstruction remains the most famous project of yours truly (The Film Whisperer).

I was kinda hoping that fans would also like my own fan-edit of the film, the "Film Whisperer edit". I really put A LOT of work into that version!

I used to have a video on my YouTube channel explaining it, and it had a link to downloads those edits. But Warner Bros decided to be a bunch of weens and get the video taken down, and to make Mega kill the file link (I hope you'll check out my channel though  Smile )

So, I've re-uploaded both edits.

For those who haven't heard of me, or these two "Rumble" projects, I'll explain as brief as I can.

"Rumble in The Bronx"–Film Whisperer RECONSTRUCTION
  • Uncut version of the movie
    --This includes at least 3 scenes missing from the HK version (uses US English dub audio only)
  1. A short shot of gangsters arriving for a contraband-diamond deal
  2. Keung & Nancy escaping the gangsters from a nightclub, and Nancy kicking over the gangsters' motorcycles
  3. A short shot of crime lord "White Tiger" playing golf (and sucking really bad at it Big Grin )
    --Also includes the Golden Harvest logo intro.
  • 3 audio tracks
  1. Sync-sound--most of it is from the Hong Kong Laserdisc. Very strong and robust audio. A portion in the beginning uses cleaned-up audio from the sync-sound track of the US version (a Warner R3 and Japanese R2 exclusive). Most other audio tracks for the HK version had some "popcorn effects" going on in those places, but only for that beginning portion.
  2. Mandarin dub--exactly what it sounds like. Subtitles are included for the Mandarin dub, and those subtitles take into consideration SOME differences in the script. Also includes a Mandarin version of the theme song with a proper translation
  3. Japanese dub--from the Japanese R2 DVD. No subtitles for this track.
  • Subtitles (each with a "no bi-lingual" option, meaning that it displays English-only for the Chinese-language songs)
  1. English for Sync-sound track: FPO (foreign parts only) and all-dialog options. An old Vietnamese female neighbor of mine, who also speaks Cantonese, did help me translate and correct some translations of the Cantonese dialog. Her English is kinda poor but it was good enough to help me! She confirmed that most of the English subs from the Mandarin-dubbed Taiwanese-version were accurate. My Chinese wife + an enthusiastic English-language student from NW China helped me translate BOTH the Cantonese & Mandarin theme songs.
  2. English for Mandarin track. There are a few differences in dialog, but not much. Fun & interesting fact: my wife confirmed some of the "racially-charged dialog" from the English translations of the the Taiwanese version were accurate! Elaine does call Angelo a Chinese insult for white people, and Uncle Bill does mention how a "white robber" killed Keung's father.
  • A mix of many sources
    --My reconstruction makes use of the following
  1. US blu-ray. Great picture, great color-filters
  2. Thakral/China-Star DVD. A heavily-interlaced DVD which cuts of a chunk of footage on the right side of the screen. No beginning or end credits. A 100% blank print!
  3. HK Laserdisc. The print itself is unique to the Thakral/China-Star disc. It's probably higher quality than the Thakral disc, but that's not saying much! Its colors are certainly better though. And honestly, I would have preferred to use the LD exclusively for the cut scenes. However, I used iMovie to create this project, and iMovie doesn't let me rotoscope the Chinese subtitles (which appear only during English dialog). The Chinese subs were outside the frame but I didn't want to crop the image too much.

What is the "Film Whisperer edit"?

Given that many sources for the HK theatrical version are poor quality, I decided to minimize the use of low-quality footage. This means that in many scenes, I keep things as they are in the US version. I found it easy to synchronize the sync-sound audio to the US edit in many places. In fact, I chose only to keep footage from the HK version under the following circumstances:
  1. The footage/scene is too important (i.e. the scene that explains why Tony's gang chases Keung in broad daylight)
  2. The footage/scene is too cool (i.e. much of the fight between Keung & Tony's gang)
  3. The sync-sound audio would sound choppy and wouldn't flow very well if synced to the US edit

I personally believe that a majority of New Line Cinema's cuts to Rumble in the Bronx weren't that brutal. They pale in comparison to what was done to other Jackie Chan films, i.e. "First Strike" or "Mr. Nice Guy". Also, New Line Cinema's dub was very well done! Jackie's English lines are improved, and so is the line delivery of the Canadian actors! Plus I like the US version's score much better. You can't deny it's less repetitive and more "epic".

Specs
  • Audio
  • Film Whisperer OPTIMIZED track: perfect blend of the HK laserdisc and New Line Cinema's dub. I went through great lengths to blend these two tracks together and make them sound seamless. Sometimes I even use Danny's English dub voice while keeping Jackie's original voice in the same scene! Uses the Mandarin theme song in the end credits!
  • Film Whisperer RAW track: I use the original sync-sound track as much as possible. Only during a few scenes here & there did I have to switch to the US audio (the motorcycle scene in particular stands out  Tongue ). Uses the Cantonese theme song in the end credits!
    Subtitles (each with a "no bi-lingual" option)
  • English for FW OPTIMIZED track
  • English for FW "RAW" track
Future Plans?
As of right now, I'm trying to create a much better quality version of both the reconstruction and "Film Whisperer edit" of this fantastic action film. I used iMovie to create both of these edits. iMovie is great but it certainly lacks in many features compared to Adobe. I know that the proportions/geometry of the uncut footage aren't aligned very well with the US blu-ray's. But keep in mind that the Thakral/China-Star DVD and HK laserdisc are suuuuuuuuuper interlaced!

Any non-Handbrake related solutions would be helpful!

PM me if you want the project. Let me know your thoughts and stuff on this thread!
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#2
Thanks for this! I grabbed this a few years back while the links were still available on YouTube and really enjoyed exploring the various edits. I'd really wanted to see the HK cut for so long and I was finally able to watch it thanks to your hard work.

I'm not sure which version I prefer, like you I think that the changes New Line made were pretty subtle and unobtrusive, and the English dub has been done pretty respectfully.

Keep up the excellent work!
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(2022-01-07, 11:45 AM)HippieDalek Wrote: Thanks for this! I grabbed this a few years back while the links were still available on YouTube and really enjoyed exploring the various edits. I'd really wanted to see the HK cut for so long and I was finally able to watch it thanks to your hard work.

I'm not sure which version I prefer, like you I think that the changes New Line made were pretty subtle and unobtrusive, and the English dub has been done pretty respectfully.

Keep up the excellent work!

Thanks so much! I'm glad you like it.

I certainly believe "Rumble in the Bronx" is Jackie Chan's last true "hardcore" film, before he decided to take things a little more easily in his films. It's definitely in my top 10 best action films of all time, and certainly in my top 5 of favorite JC films. I think the ridiculousness of it all is the strong point, lol.

I agree that New Line cut a bit too much here & there. They should not have deleted the scene which explains why the gang chases him again during the day. I also wish they kept the gang hideout fight scene 100% intact. But for the most part, I feel like they made the movie much better paced, and their dub and new score certainly made most of the cuts tolerable. Also, why was the sync-sound track so poor sometimes? The nighttime motorcycle street race sequence is far too noisy in the original version!

The HK version is just a little overkill sometimes, i.e. the "bottle swatting" sequence. We get it! Keung is getting brutalized by glass! We get it, the hovercraft is wrecking havoc! My own personal edit (The Film Whisperer edit) of "Rumble" follows the US version 100% after the gang hideout fight scene. In fact it follows the US version a majority of the time.

The other thing too about New Line's edits for "Rumble" is that, for the most part, I was able to make the original sync-sound track work with their edit. Their editing isn't as choppy as how they did with "First Strike" and "Mr. Nice Guy". It's almost impossible to use the original track with New Line's edit on those films. I actually tried to make a FW edit of "First Strike" and gave up, lol.

Some aspects of the uncut version are a bit strange. Why would Uncle Bill invite Elaine to his wedding BEFORE she even agrees to buy his market?! Lol. Maybe it's a Chinese culture thing? But then again, changing that plot point forced New Line to also change the dynamic between Elaine & Keung. Keung just...offers to enslave himself to Elaine!  Big Grin It also changes Uncle Bill's character a little bit. In the HK version, he's very shady, and he's desperate to sell the market.

Also Keung being a cop isn't relevant, but I guess it's meant to explain his fighting skills and instincts. They also mention that he has a girlfriend named "Amy" in Hong Kong, but she also serves no purpose to the plot, and her name is only mentioned once. And due to mentioning her, Keung cheats on his girlfriend with Nancy!

I also noticed that in the original version with the sync-sound track, at no point do the detectives tell Keung that the syndicate boss' name is "White Tiger"! So how would Keung know to say "I want to speak to your boss, White Tiger"?

I also hate the scene where two gangsters punch Elaine to take their "protection" money. That's why I don't include it in the FW edit. It's bad enough that the scene is played for laughs. But what's also awful about that scene is that there is no payoff later! Neither Keung nor Elaine get any revenge on those two gangsters later. And during that scene, after they punch Elaine, the white female cashier just stands there with that stupid "Duuuur" look on her face, while that black guy in the background (named "Ben" I think?) just has this "Oh sh**t!" expression on his face Big Grin !

I pray that we'll get a true HD restoration of this film one day. I can confirm that an HD remaster of "First Strike" exists through VOD in Asia. So I think we'll see a blu-ray release within the next year or two. But "Rumble", I think, is honestly the last Jackie Chan film which hasn't even gotten an anamorphic release, let alone an HD remaster! I hope that someone obtains a 35mm print down the road, scans it, and releases it...for free! Lol.

There's a lot more work to come! Stay tuned!
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(2022-01-09, 02:13 PM)The Film Whisperer Wrote: They also mention that he has a girlfriend named "Amy" in Hong Kong, but she also serves no purpose to the plot, and her name is only mentioned once. And due to mentioning her, Keung cheats on his girlfriend with Nancy!

Yeah, that bit really stuck out when I watched the HK version. I thought perhaps there was going to be a deleted subplot, but it's just a throwaway line that adds nothing to the plot while also substantially changing Keung's character. My only thought is perhaps the line was there to make him seem more of a macho player or something, but even that doesn't seem to fit the character presented.
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I don't know if I'm missing something...I tried downloading this twice but it's the exact same on both copies.

Regarding the reconstruction version, the video seems to switch between reconstructed quality and terrible quality. Sometimes it happens for just a second, other times entire scenes are terrible quality. When it switches to the reconstruction it looks fantastic, but the video is constantly changing between the two which makes it completely unwatchable.

It first happens 50 seconds into the movie and lasts for 18 seconds, and then continues to do it throughout the entire movie. Am I missing something?
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(2022-04-01, 03:14 AM)MutantToe Wrote: I don't know if I'm missing something..

Yes you're missing something. If you don't want the low-quality scenes try this version
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Love this movie! Never saw the HK version, looking forward to checking it out.
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(2022-04-01, 03:30 AM)stwd4nder2 Wrote:
(2022-04-01, 03:14 AM)MutantToe Wrote: I don't know if I'm missing something..

Yes you're missing something. If you don't want the low-quality scenes try this version

What are you talking about? I have that version. I own the bluray, as well as 48 other Jackie Chan blurays that are in my collection. But the bluray sucks, hence why I want this reconstructed version.

I feel like you're police-ing my comment because you think I'm just complaining about the quality or something. But The Film Whisperer Edit version has the same scenes but in high quality. It's the Film Whisperer Reconstructed version that dips in and out of quality every minute or so. Like the scene will start in low quality and then change to high quality a second later. It defintely isn't right and I'm wondering why. You pointing me in the direction of the bluray just implies that the reconstructed version I downloaded that dips in and out of quality every minute is correct and that I shouldn't be questioning it. Is it correct? Does the version you downloaded do that same thing?
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(2022-04-09, 12:54 PM)MutantToe Wrote:
(2022-04-01, 03:30 AM)stwd4nder2 Wrote:
(2022-04-01, 03:14 AM)MutantToe Wrote: I don't know if I'm missing something..

Yes you're missing something. If you don't want the low-quality scenes try this version

What are you talking about? I have that version. I own the bluray, as well as 48 other Jackie Chan blurays that are in my collection. But the bluray sucks, hence why I want this reconstructed version.

I feel like you're police-ing my comment because you think I'm just complaining about the quality or something. But The Film Whisperer Edit version has the same scenes but in high quality. It's the Film Whisperer Reconstructed version that dips in and out of quality every minute or so. Like the scene will start in low quality and then change to high quality a second later. It defintely isn't right and I'm wondering why. You pointing me in the direction of the bluray just implies that the reconstructed version I downloaded that dips in and out of quality every minute is correct and that I shouldn't be questioning it. Is it correct? Does the version you downloaded do that same thing?

This is correct.

The Reconstructed Version is an exact representation of the Original HK cut using the best available footage available.
I'm afraid the footage that was removed from the US cut is only available from low quality DVD releases, hence the cutting back and forth from HD footage to SD.
It wasn't just whole scenes exiled, alot were trimmed, some shot to shot.
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(2022-04-10, 10:02 AM)CSchmidlapp Wrote:
(2022-04-09, 12:54 PM)MutantToe Wrote:
(2022-04-01, 03:30 AM)stwd4nder2 Wrote:
(2022-04-01, 03:14 AM)MutantToe Wrote: I don't know if I'm missing something..

Yes you're missing something. If you don't want the low-quality scenes try this version

What are you talking about? I have that version. I own the bluray, as well as 48 other Jackie Chan blurays that are in my collection. But the bluray sucks, hence why I want this reconstructed version.

I feel like you're police-ing my comment because you think I'm just complaining about the quality or something. But The Film Whisperer Edit version has the same scenes but in high quality. It's the Film Whisperer Reconstructed version that dips in and out of quality every minute or so. Like the scene will start in low quality and then change to high quality a second later. It defintely isn't right and I'm wondering why. You pointing me in the direction of the bluray just implies that the reconstructed version I downloaded that dips in and out of quality every minute is correct and that I shouldn't be questioning it. Is it correct? Does the version you downloaded do that same thing?

This is correct.

The Reconstructed Version is an exact representation of the Original HK cut using the best available footage available.
I'm afraid the footage that was removed from the US cut is only available from low quality DVD releases, hence the cutting back and forth from HD footage to SD.
It wasn't just whole scenes exiled, alot were trimmed, some shot to shot.

Ah okay. It was so bizarre that I thought it might have been a problem with the file or something. Thanks for answering the question.
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