Proposal: The James Cameron Project

[Beber]

Stamper told me he thought he saw that, too. So I guess there was some digital tampering after all, dammit!

[Beber]

have seen this morning that they've added the blade to the scalpel now during the eye removal scene.

originally it was a blade-less prop.

Confirmed, dammit!

Blu-ray, no blade for security reason on set, obviously:



UHD, digital blade added in a 1984 movie when CGI didn't even exist, hence The Terminator doesn't exist anymore as the rest of Cameron's filmography:

[Beber]

I just played with Dre's colormatching tool using the 35mm scan on the BD and the UHD. Here's what I obtain.
From top to bottom: 35mm/BD/BD colormatched to 35mm/UHD/UHD colormatched to 35mm:







I need that in my life. And it's fully automatic. No additional tweaking in DaVinci Resolve yet. I just might try it on the whole film before resuming my attempt on T2. T1 might be easier and faster to do...

[Stamper]

Is this the 35mm that someone put out on X? Because it's been retimed why whomever did the scan and the colors are completely off. That interrogation scene was never blue.

[Beber]

Is this the 35mm that someone put out on X? Because it's been retimed why whomever did the scan and the colors are completely off. That interrogation scene was never blue.

It's from the Spleen, labelled as a 4K scan with no additional description. Are you serious? Damn! What's the point to retime a scan of a 35mm print? The reason to have it is to figure out the real look of a film. I thought it looked sweet and very plausible this way. So is there a 35mm scan out there that's faithfull to a print?

[Stamper]

Oh I see, yes, that version that originally was released on the internal organ, is cool, but the scanner takes liberties in most of his releases.
That strong blue cast was on some scenes on the original film, but not there, the interrogation scene more or less is the same as in cinemas in all video versions of it. They pushed the green on the remaster, but it was more like neutral, never blue, it's fairly consistent in fact in most home video releases. I don't think there is another one out there, those internal organ versions were leaked out without the agreement of the scanner.

[Beber]

Agreement or not, I don't give a damn, especially if the scanner is stupid enough to change the actual look of films. What the hell? The scanner deserves no respect whatsoever in that case.

I guess it can be used to testify how poorly Jim has treated the highlights that he's blown out to eliminate halation. Originally we were able to see the light bulbs in the center:

[bendermac]

snip

from the Jap LD, probably based of a 35mm scan

[Beber]

Well, there you go. Thanks @bendermac. So the 35mm scan is pretty accurate then. Could this possibly be a case like Raiders of the Lost Ark where the tavern in Nepal was changed from a cold lighting to a warm one even on 35mm, probably for a re-release? I mean, Silence of the Lambs 35mm scan on the Spleen also has a couple scenes with discrepancies, such as the airfield one where the orange is gone for a more neutral grading, while the print I saw in theater a few years ago had the orange, the VHS too, and the Criterion DVD as well. @bendermac has resurrected my interest for the 35mm that Stamper nearly killed.

[bendermac]

As for the 35mm @Beber used... This looks like the scan from Rob based on a German print. In his notes, he didn't mention any sort of color adjustments beyond removing a yellow tint, which you can see in the screenshot below. T2 theatrical version was also more blueish colors, that got removed on home video releases.