2022-08-02, 09:50 PM
I love this movie too, but don't really have any knowledge or expertise about the different cuts. Just thought I'd offer some support though.
[versions] Last Of The Mohicans — Existing Masters?
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2022-08-02, 09:50 PM
I love this movie too, but don't really have any knowledge or expertise about the different cuts. Just thought I'd offer some support though.
2022-08-03, 04:52 AM
(This post was last modified: 2022-08-04, 01:12 AM by LucasGodzilla.)
(2022-07-30, 07:30 PM)zoidberg Wrote: I would say that any references to 'graded to answer prints' or 'Director approved' have to be taken with a considerable pinch of salt these days. To a degree, I agree that the digital grading of the Director's cut is a bit quirky in ways that you don't see photochemically. I seem to recall that specifically it was mentioned by some in the past that the skin-tones were the most flawed aspect of the restoration—which ties with what you've said about photochemical grading handling secondaries—as they came off much more pallid than a print did. However, I will say that the cyan-teal push is generally something I consistently hear matching up with what people have seen over the years from the odd unfaded print screenings of the movie. I'll be leaving this post from the Blu-Ray forum in regards to this subject: JohnCarpenterFan | https://forum.blu-ray.com/showpost.php?p...count=1183' Wrote:ambient_indie | https://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread.php...st17736930 Wrote:Apparently according to Lee Kline (from Criterion) on the Team Deakins podcast (wish I knew the timecode. It’s a wonderful podcast) he made a comment about how Michael Mann was adamant that the color transfer matches to his specific answer print. Kline said anyone who thinks it doesn’t look like the original film is wrong because it looks exactly like that print. Not only do I generally take JohnCarpenterFan's word as he was right about many different photochemical timing situations in the past, but I would also like to drop in that I discovered a—presumably unfaded—German 35mm trailer scan of the movie that does line-up with what's being described. It's not quite as extreme as the Director's cut restoration, however it does definitely boast a fair bit of the color tones I've come to expect from the movie overall even with its own photochemical timing—which does skew a couple of scenes closer to neutral. It does make me wonder what'd happen if a blanket adjustment based off of that trailer would yield when applied to the Director's cut to retain the shot-by-shot timing, which would likely keep in the supposedly answer print-based teals, but like with the idea regarding Last Of The Mohicans, hopefully, curve the image off in such a way that it all comes off more naturally and filmic than a digital blanket. Course in that theoretic, I'd rather try to get my hands on a trailer of my own to scan and work off of to produce such a grade, but given the movie's age, it'd be a miracle an unfaded / non-Eastman source can be located, making that black-crushed YouTube-encoded (unless I get ahold of a copy of the German BD) trailer the best we've got for such testing. Admittedly though, this has been making me also think that Thief would also make for an interesting seamless-branching project in theory since there's also the Special Director's cut that's been abandoned since DVD, but of course, like Last Of The Mohicans, I suppose the first step would be compiling as many LD releases as possible to sync up for reconstructions of the Theatrical 🔍[ID6468MG] and Special Director's 🔍[ML105114] cuts.
2022-08-04, 12:50 AM
I finally listened to the Deakins podcast with the Criterion guy, amused at his mentioning of 'the forums' more than a couple of times. Man needs to log off
Thief is very wrong due to the way it was done, it is a blanket teal mess.
Just shoddy, things van be blue and green and more, never ever did it look like the Criterion garbage
2022-09-23, 01:41 AM
So I found an Open Matte Version Streaming On HBO Max
2022-09-23, 07:02 AM
Cinematographic Process Panavision (anamorphic)
this movie does not exist in Open Matte
2022-09-24, 01:18 AM
(2022-09-23, 07:02 AM)maksnew Wrote: Cinematographic Process Panavision (anamorphic) Arguably an anamorphic movie CAN be seen in open-matte (if one showcased the entire width–height of the film), though you are right that—as far as I'm aware of—this movie doesn't have any master that is particularly open-matted. (2022-09-23, 01:41 AM)Endocryne Wrote: So I found an Open Matte Version Streaming On HBO Max As far as I can tell regarding this HBO Max version, it's the older HD master of the movie that has been cropped to fit the modern 16:9 ratio. Comparing to the Definitive Director's Cut (which although is a different master, it illustrates the point): 🔍 🔍 🔍 🔍
2022-09-24, 10:01 AM
Arrow will have both cuts out very soon I would bet
2022-09-25, 01:25 AM
2022-09-25, 07:50 PM
They have had the rights in the UK for years, same as Robin Hood and True Romance
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