High-end video capture cards

[althor1138]

So the theater750hdpcie seems to absolutely not work in windows 10 virtualdub setup. Can anybody recommend me a good laserdisc capture card that is pcie and WORKS in windows 10?


Anybody know anything about this one?

http://www.avermedia.com/professional/pr...c725b/spec

This one actually states 3d y/c separation comb filter in the description so maybe it's better?

http://storage.avermedia.com/web_release...160704.pdf

Furthermore, does anybody have a good reputable place to order the ce310b? I think I've found it on aliexpress but the words they use to describe it along with their new seller status that is down to 85% already kind of freaks me out. I mean they say stuff like hd720 in the pictures when it's clearly only ntsc/pal resolutions that the card supports.

https://www.aliexpress.com/item/SD-PCIe-...d7614a28ac

[spoRv]

I'm thinking to get the Aja Kona (Xena) LH-E PCI-Express... still can't say it would work on Windows 10, though, but, given the fact many (if not all) softwares I tried - even the 10+ years old - works, there is great probability it would work it, too... again, IMHO.

At least, you could get if dirty cheap, and resell it at the same price in not working.

[althor1138]

I've ordered the avermedia ce310b from amazon uk. It's not in stock so hopefully it doesn't take forever to get here. Hopefully it holds up against the 750hdpcie. It's a generation newer and seems to be made for compatibility and they have been actively updating the drivers for it including windows 10 so...I miss the 750hd. It had a great comb filter. Perhaps someday I'll get it working with windows 10.. or I'll find a cheap pc and install windows 7 on it.

If it doesn't work I'll try to find a aja kona and check it out.

[althor1138]

OK so I ordered the c725b, ce310b, and h727. I was thinking about starting a comb filter comparison thread as I don't see one anywhere here on fanres. I've still got a bunch of shots of the 750hd and I think there are other people here who are interested in comb filter performance as well that might post shots of their comb filter.

[spoRv]

That's a great idea! Eagerly waiting for it!

Also, "simple" reviews of the capture cards would be greatly appreciated as well!

[althor1138]

Well, the only one that has showed up so far is the c725b. I can say right off the bat that you should avoid this one. I'm hoping the ce310b is a superior product in all regards. I have the pioneer reference laserdisc and I played it and captured it via the c725b, and it basically sucks in all areas. I think it's probably on par with the cheapest usb capture stick that you can find. I'll add screenshots when I get around to making the comb filter thread but for now I just wanted to say do not buy this thing!  It has one redeeming quality. It seems to be absolutely compatible with win10,virtualdub, and probably most other software. It also has the ability to adjust settings during capture which the theater750hd does not. With that being said the Theater750hd runs circles around this in the noise and comb filter department.

I also should say that the theater750hd seems to function somewhat as a tbc. My cld-hf9g has always exhibited some sort of weird issue when capturing with any other card where each individual line doesn't always necessarily line up on the edges. The theater750hd never has this problem. I know each laserdisc player has it's own tbc but the cld-hf9g either bypasses it on composite output or the built-in tbc is crap.

[althor1138]

The CE310B has arrived and I've tested it a bit with the pioneer reference laserdisc. It seems way better than the c725b in all aspects thus far. It still falls short of the theater750hd but is close behind it. It seems to also have the tbc-like function that the theater750 has. I mean that it stabilizes the picture and all of the pixel lines are in a row and not skewed. It also almost performs as well in y/c separation but falls just a tad bit short. I would say that it perhaps has a little less ringing but has a slightly noisier picture. All in all, it seems quite good. I'll have to do some more in depth comparisons later.

[spoRv]

These info are welcome!

Well, every laserdisc player has a TBC inside, hence it's not capture card "merit" of not skewed lines - unless you try it with a VHS and it shows the same behaviour.

[althor1138]

I no longer own anything vhs related. All I can say is that the 750hd and ce310b are doing something that all of my other capture cards are not doing. They produce a rock solid, stable capture when capturing with my cld-hf9g whereas the c725b and a couple of my cheap usb capture sticks do not.

If I capture from a dv camcorder via the composite connection with the c725b it also produces a stable picture. These dv camcorders all have built-in tbc's as well. I believe the tbc in my cld-hf9g is perhaps bad or wonky or is being bypassed. I haven't tested with the cld-s315 yet because it's tucked away in storage but eventually I will crosscheck and see if it's happening with different models of laserdisc player.

EDIT: I'm encoding a side-by-side comparison of the c725 and ce310b right now. I'll post a link to it when it's done.

EDIT2: https://we.tl/vXhXru5pA7

Here's a 7 day link. This is x265 encoded at crf0 to save space. It still weighs in at 480MB. The first 30 seconds is a video sweep. The last 30 seconds is the test pattern. It should be pretty apparent that the ce310b is the better choice. As I said it still falls short of the theater750hd but it's pretty good.

I ordered the ce310b off of aliexpress since amazon took about a month before telling me they wouldn't get the card in for another few weeks. It showed up about 4 days after I ordered it on aliexpress. Also, the c725b cost me about 65 dollars plus shipping. The ce310b cost 50 dollars with free shipping.

[spoRv]

Now that I use Windows 10, I guess if Aja Kona LHe Plus is compatible...

Also, a strange idea came to my mind: http://www.ioi.com.tw/products/proddetai...ID=1130018
with this, I could use my old Xena LH and PDI SweetSpot - still, will they ever be compatible with Windows 10?!?