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Serpico (1973) Eureka MoC BD Mono Synced to Kino UHD + Analysis |
Posted by: axeyou - 2023-06-25, 06:20 AM - Forum: Released
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Released in 1973, Serpico's original sound mix was naturally mono.
Kino, the self-proclaimed best label in the world, naturally once again offered a split-L/R-stereo mix on their new UHD, in addition to a 5.1 remix . After phase-inverting their R-channel and downmixing to 1.0:
![[Image: fpwgUmu.png]](https://i.imgur.com/fpwgUmu.png)
To source a genuine mono, I've examined these previous BDs: - 2010 FR/DE/ES StudioCanal BD
- 2014 UK Eureka MoC BD
- 2020 FR/DE StudioCanal remastered BD (SC UHD released at the same time presumably features the same tracks)
Is It Mono?
Of these, the 2.0 on the 2020 SC BD is also a split-stereo. After the phase-invert-then-downmix test, it looks pretty similar to the Kino one:
![[Image: HXXT74V.png]](https://i.imgur.com/HXXT74V.png)
The 2.0 on the 2010 SC BD is dual mono:
![[Image: ODdPZyK.png]](https://i.imgur.com/ODdPZyK.png)
The 2014 Eureka BD features a 1.0 mono track.
Who Sounds Better?
2010 SC's spectrogram, on MEL scale:
![[Image: B34PdGr.png]](https://i.imgur.com/B34PdGr.png)
2014 Eureka's spectrogram, on MEL scale, and +4db to level match:
![[Image: gpgipdl.png]](https://i.imgur.com/gpgipdl.png)
Looks pretty similar. At first glance though, it would appear that Eureka filtered a bit of the low frequencies, but retained a little bit more high frequencies. However, switching to Extended Log scale reveals that the extra low-frequency information on the 2010 SC is below 20 Hz (inaudible), and is like a constant hum throughout the film. Transfer/encode anomaly?
2010 SC's spectrogram, on Extended Log scale:
![[Image: 01OaApS.png]](https://i.imgur.com/01OaApS.png)
2014 Eureka's spectrogram, on Extended Log scale, and +4db to level match:
![[Image: 7OQ1rX0.png]](https://i.imgur.com/7OQ1rX0.png)
Finally, spectrum analyzer over the entire track, plotting average level over frequency:
2010 SC:
![[Image: WJVyHEc.png]](https://i.imgur.com/WJVyHEc.png)
2014 Eureka, +4db to level match:
![[Image: VXsRtcq.png]](https://i.imgur.com/VXsRtcq.png)
Flip between them here: https://slow.pics/c/z8xb7H8J
After +4db to the Eureka track, the two curves are exactly identical within the audible range, further suggesting they stem from the same mastering.
Since Eureka 1) provides a 24-bit encode, 2) doesn't have the constant hum below 20 Hz, 3) retains a bit more high-frequency information, theirs is the track I'll sync to Kino UHD.
Other Releases
I wasn't able to source the 2013 Warner / 2017 Paramount US BD (same disc). They only come with an AC-3 2.0 mono though.
I also wasn't able to source any DVD or LD or VHS track.
Given that the Eureka BD sounds pretty good and that its spectrogram shows no filtering, I'm content with it for now. That said, if someone does have any of these, I'd be interested in comparing them.
The Sync
Luckily, Eureka BD and Kino UHD are frame-accurate throughout the film. The only difference is Kino having an extra 9 frames at the beginning.
Both are presented at 23.976 fps, so it's a 375ms delay. Simple like that.
PM me for a link. Enjoy!
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The Manchurian Candidate (1962) Criterion BD Mono & Commentary Synced to Kino UHD |
Posted by: axeyou - 2023-06-24, 02:36 AM - Forum: Released
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Moshrom/Blah-ray has previously concluded that the Criterion BD's mono sounded the best: https://blah-ray.blogspot.com/2016/09/th...-1962.html
I've examined Kino UHD's 2.0. It's a split-L/R-stereo (best label in the world huh). After inverting the R-channel and downmixing to 1.0, the result looks busy as hell instead of a flat-line:
![[Image: OF9sO0t.png]](https://i.imgur.com/OF9sO0t.png)
Inputs: - Criterion mono: PCM, 1.0 mono, 1152 kbps, 48 kHz, 24-bit
- Criterion commentary: AC-3, 1.0 mono, 192 kbps, 48 kHz
Outputs:- Criterion mono: FLAC, 1.0 mono, 608 kbps, 48 kHz, 24-bit
- Criterion commentary: FLAC, 1.0 mono, 233 kbps, 48 kHz, 16-bit
Notes on the sync:- Kino UHD is presented in 24 fps, while Criterion BD is 23.976 fps as usual. I've sped up both tracks from Criterion with SoX.
- Kino UHD and the Criterion BD are frame-accurate. The only difference is Criterion having an extra 715 frames at the beginning. At 24 fps, this translates to a delay of -29792ms.
- Kino UHD opens with a silent OG United Artist logo. Criterion BD opens with a new UA-MGM logo, then the MGM lion. I've trimmed the sound in both parts, and on both the film's audio and the commentary.
- Fortunately on the commentary, Frankenheimer doesn't start talking until the film starts. So nothing is lost by trimming the extra 29792ms. Additionally, he finishes just as the film ends.
PM me for a link. Enjoy!
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Hello! |
Posted by: Guysaboss - 2023-06-23, 02:16 AM - Forum: Presentation
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Just found out about this website, and I must say I have the utmost respect for those who keep old media both available and in good quality.
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The Seventh Seal (1957) IVC LD, Swedish DVD, Criterion Commentary Synced to BFI UHD |
Posted by: axeyou - 2023-06-18, 09:35 AM - Forum: Released
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Sertoli previously synced the IVC LD & Svensk Filmindustri DVD to the 2018 Criterion BD (part of the Ingmar Bergman's Cinema boxset). Since he doesn't appear to be active around here anymore, I've taken the liberty to re-time his syncs to the new BFI UHD. I've also thrown in Criterion's commentary by Bergman expert Peter Cowie as a bonus. (A great commentary IMO. It definitely helped me appreciate the film more after a perplexing first watch years ago.)
Audio comparison:
Picture quality wise, BFI's UHD is better than Criterion's new UHD, because:- David M. @ Fidelity in Motion encoded the BFI release.
- BFI is presented in (a conservatively-graded) Dolby Vision, while Criterion UHD is presented in SDR. Here's BFI's HDR grading, plotted from my own disc (blue line tracks per-shot MaxCLL; purple line tracks per-shot MaxFALL):
![[Image: cwg3QLS.png]](https://i.imgur.com/cwg3QLS.png)
Credits (THANK YOU!):- IVC LD originally sourced by: BDgeek / alinskey
- IVC LD originally ripped by: alinskey
- IVC LD & Swedish DVD originally synced to Criterion BD by: sertoli
- sertoli's syncs shared with me by: stwd4nder2
- [BONUS] Criterion commentary ripped & synced by: axeyou
Inputs:- IVC LD: FLAC, 2.0 mono, 718 kbps, 44.1 kHz, 16 bits
- Swedish DVD: FLAC, 1.0 mono, 339 kbps, 48 kHz, 16 bits
- Criterion Commentary: AC-3, 1.0 mono, 192 kbps, 48 kHz
Outputs:- IVC LD: FLAC, 2.0 mono, 715 kbps, 44.1 kHz, 16 bits
- Swedish DVD: FLAC, 1.0 mono, 336 kbps, 48 kHz, 16 bits
- Criterion Commentary: FLAC, 1.0 mono, 249 kbps, 48 kHz, 16 bits
Notes on the sync:- BFI UHD is presented in 24 fps, while Criterion BD is 23.976 fps as usual. I've sped up all three tracks with SoX.
- BFI UHD and the 2018 Criterion boxset BD are frame-wise identical. The only difference is Criterion having an extra 865 frames at the beginning. At 24 fps, this translates to a delay of -36042ms.
- When remuxing, the LD and DVD tracks I'm sharing need this -36042ms delay. However, the Criterion commentary track complicates things, as Peter Cowie starts introducing himself at an untimely ~33 seconds. So, if you are interested in the commentary, apply a positive 36042ms delay to the BFI UHD's video, audio, subtitle, and chapters instead.
- Alternatively, apply a +5000ms delay to BFI's video & associated tracks, and a -31042ms to the LD, DVD, and commentary tracks. See comment below: I've re-synced the commentary to perfectly match BFI UHD.
- I've also included SRTs from both the 2018 Criterion BD (re-synced to BFI) and BFI UHD. Their translations are a little bit different, e.g. BFI refers to Death as "the Devil" in a few but not all instances. I don't speak Swedish to be able to determine which one is more accurate.
PM me for a link. Enjoy!
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Salut ! |
Posted by: therobotdreamer - 2023-06-17, 02:22 PM - Forum: Presentation
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Hello there,
Just found this great forum while looking for the new Akira Kurosawa UHD remux by "xwmario".
Im gonna check if there is some magic for the Sergio Leone audio's...
See ya
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Blade Runner: Archival Versions (1982-1992) LD tracks synced to BD |
Posted by: Hydra Spectre - 2023-06-17, 05:43 AM - Forum: Requests, proposals, help
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I always wanted lossless Dolby Stereo 2.0 tracks of the Archival Versions (Theatrical, International, and Director's Cuts) of Blade Runner that are synced up to the Archival Versions Blu-ray.
The German 30th Anniversary Blu-ray (which has a superior x264 encode for the Archival Version) does contain a lossy DD 5.1 track but not a 2.0 track like the US version.
Which is why I want someone to do LaserDisc digital captures of the following LaserDiscs and sync them up to the Archival Versions Blu-rays.
I want versions of the audio synced to the Blu-ray in single versions, and to the raw Blu-ray streams but made compatible with seamless branching.
At least in the German 30th Anniversary Blu-ray, here's how the segments/Blu-ray streams are arranged in each version:
Director's: 1,22,23,25,26,32,27,34
International: 1,33,23,8,26,9,27,14
Theatrical: 1,31,23,25,26,32,27,24
And this may be different, but I hope someone has the HD-DVD of the Archival Versions, to get the DD+ tracks from that, which are probably slightly better than the DD tracks from the Blu-ray.
Here are the possible NTSC LDs for the Dolby Stereo LPCM tracks:
Japanese LaserDisc of the US Theatrical Cut [NJEL-20008] (original Dolby Stereo mix of the US Theatrical Cut, the only release of this cut with digital audio)
US Criterion LaserDiscs of International Theatrical Cut [CC1169L] (CLV) and [CC1120L] (CAV Special Edition) (original Dolby Stereo mix of the Domestic Theatrical Cut)
LaserDiscs of Director's Cut (US) [12682] and (Japan) [NJL-12682] (original Dolby Stereo mix of the Director's Cut)
Lastly, is the 5.1 track of the Archival Versions the original 70mm six-track mix or a remix/upmix of the 2.0?
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Cinderella (1950) LD [4964 CS] Audios Synced to Disney UHD |
Posted by: Trollking1 - 2023-06-14, 07:52 PM - Forum: Released
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Original Mono, Music and Effects Mono, Stereo Remix from LD [4964 CS] synced to UHD.
Since I don't want to create two duplicate threads for this movie, I also included as bonus the mono from previous Diamond Blu-ray synced to UHD.
All these to be shared by pm.
All these are in FLAC (24 bits for mono BD, the rest 16 bit), Stereo Remix is 2.0; the rest 1.0.
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Le Corbeau / The Raven (1943) Optimum UK DVD Synced to StudioCanal / Criterion BD |
Posted by: axeyou - 2023-06-14, 10:04 AM - Forum: Released
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Here's an audio sync for another classic but lesser-known title. Before Diabolique (1955) & Wages of Fear (1953), Henri-Georges Clouzot directed Le Corbeau in 1943, under Nazi occupation of France. It almost derailed his career post-war, when Clouzot was accused of collaborating with the Nazis. But this film is anything but collaborationist, it served as an allegory to expose a society devoid of morality.
Picture quality first:
I took some screen caps comparing Criterion and StudioCanal's BDs. They are sourced from the same 4K restoration. To my eyes, grain on Criterion appears slightly more defined, so the Criterion BD is what I'll be syncing audio to. See M A's comments below. Criterion is actually sharpened a bit and has compression artifacts. I've added a sync to target StudioCanal as well.
Caps: https://slow.pics/c/h9sZull5
Now, audio:
Let's start with the 2005 Optimum (UK) DVD, slowed down to 23.976 fps. It's very hissy, but very detailed. There are some distortions during loud music, e.g. during opening, and artifacts elsewhere, but nothing I can't stand.
![[Image: hiiMSSd.png]](https://i.imgur.com/hiiMSSd.png)
Next up is the 2004 Criterion DVD.
Criterion DVD Booklet Wrote:The soundtrack was mastered at 24-bit from a digital monaural mix, and audio restoration tools were used to reduce clicks, pops, hiss, and crackle.
Criterion applied a high-pass filter and some more filtering in the upper frequencies. It still sounds ok, but slightly worse than the Optimum DVD.
![[Image: 5giD44b.png]](https://i.imgur.com/5giD44b.png)
Had the audio "restoration" stopped here, the result would have been pretty respectable. But then Éclair restored the audio as part of a 4K restoration, and StudioCanal released that on BD in 2017.
Criterion BD Booklet Wrote:The original monaural soundtrack was also restored at Éclair, [...]
Whereas the DVD tracks used to boast detail up to ~15 kHz, everything is now cut off at ~8 kHz. Very muffled.
![[Image: M0nr4GL.png]](https://i.imgur.com/M0nr4GL.png)
Finally, we arrive at the Criterion BD, released in 2022.
Criterion BD Booklet Wrote:The original monaural soundtrack was also restored at Éclair, with additional restoration carried out by the Criterion Collection.
As usual, Criterion can't keep their fingers off the "filter" button, even when the input is already filtered. Additional high-pass filtering on top of an absurdly low-pass filtered track.
![[Image: 3WRXETv.png]](https://i.imgur.com/3WRXETv.png)
Flip between these spectrograms here: https://slow.pics/c/S8kaLqBN
Input: AC-3, 2.0 mono, 224 kbps, 48 kHz
Output: FLAC, 2.0 mono, 421 kbps, 48 kHz, 16 bits
Notes on the sync:- Optimum DVD is presented in 25 fps. I've slowed down the audio to 24/23.976 fps to match StudioCanal/Criterion BD's frame rate. Confirmed pitch through spectrogram afterwards--it matches theBDs.
- R channel at around 00:49:57 (SC BD timestamp) contains a very noticeable extra (digital?) artifact not present on L channel. There is another minor artifact only found on L channel at around 01:29:11 (SC BD timestamp) . I've patched in the opposite channel's signals during these two segments. The two channels are otherwise effectively identical, as confirmed by inverting the phase of R and downmixing to 1.0.
- There is a somewhat frequent "pop" (?) on the Optimum DVD track. I've detailed this at https://fanrestore.com/thread-5320.html. I fixed a few places before deciding to leave them as is because there are just too many instances. Hopefully you don't find them distracting. The Criterion DVD's high-pass filtering masks these somewhat, but they are still audible at places.
- I mostly synced by video. Where the frames diverged: 1) Optimum DVD has extra frame b/w Criterion BD timestamps 00:29:40.570-612, 2) DVD missed 1 frame during a dissolve b/w BD timestamps 00:49:47.067-00:50:23.812, 3) DVD missed 3 frames during another dissolve b/w BD timestamps 00:59:18.638-00:59:40.911, 4) DVD missed 1 frame b/w BD timestamps 00:59:40.911-952, 5) DVD missed 1 frame b/w BD timestamps 01:25:06.018-059.
- Criterion and StudioCanal's BDs are frame-wise identical, except that Criterion has an extra 456 frames at the beginning (Criterion & Janus logos).
PM me for a link. Enjoy!
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