Planet of the Apes sequels (1970-1973) audio collection

[SwatDB]

Personal sound mix preferences excluding all 5.1 remuxes, including what's on the BDs, regarding mono for the film. Include the mono tracks that're on the BDs last because it'd be easiest to list all releases from various formats of the date of publishing.
Only the current POTA series, tetralogy so far (Rise of the Planet of the Apes, Dawn of the Planet of the Apes, War for the Planet of the Apes, and Kingdom of the Planet of the Apes), is on 4K UHD, not the 1968-1973 series. That includes both cuts for POTA 4 and POTA 5.
That mentioned, I'm repeating I've owned the USA BD set for more than a decade, and would be fine if there's a VHS, LD, or DVD audio tracks (mono or stereo or Dolby Surround) which could be used on a remux derived from the USA BDs. I'm not selling that USA BD set I bought for only $24.96 USD in 2013.

You should stop procrastinating and just buy the Planet of the Apes 5-Film Collection USA Blu-ray disc set. It's only $28.85 USD prior to tax from Amazon.com and can be readily purchased from ebay and other retailers.

My mistake?

I waste no more time bickering about Audio mixes here, in case my listening ears (generally speaking) can't be trusted...

[AdmiralNoodles]

Personal sound mix preferences excluding all 5.1 remuxes, including what's on the BDs, regarding mono for the film. Include the mono tracks that're on the BDs last because it'd be easiest to list all releases from various formats of the date of publishing.
Only the current POTA series, tetralogy so far (Rise of the Planet of the Apes, Dawn of the Planet of the Apes, War for the Planet of the Apes, and Kingdom of the Planet of the Apes), is on 4K UHD, not the 1968-1973 series. That includes both cuts for POTA 4 and POTA 5.
That mentioned, I'm repeating I've owned the USA BD set for more than a decade, and would be fine if there's a VHS, LD, or DVD audio tracks (mono or stereo or Dolby Surround) which could be used on a remux derived from the USA BDs. I'm not selling that USA BD set I bought for only $24.96 USD in 2013.

You should stop procrastinating and just buy the Planet of the Apes 5-Film Collection USA Blu-ray disc set. It's only $28.85 USD prior to tax from Amazon.com and can be readily purchased from ebay and other retailers.

My mistake?

I waste no more bickering about Audio mixes here, in case my listening ears (generally speaking) can't be trusted...

This isn't helpful at all...

[SwatDB]

This isn't helpful at all...

Just because I have the feeling I'm being reprimanded? Besides I come from DK, so there is going to be a tax for this (cheap or not). Second, I have other stuff to do before going back to POTA (eventually, going after 40-Year Old Evolution BD set).

Like I said, I still look forward for some sort evidence of the most optimal tracks (for POTA and other titles as well), like you folks are.

Out of curiosity, What makes a person's research helpful, from your experience, may I ask?

[AdmiralNoodles]

This isn't helpful at all...

Just because I have the feeling I'm being reprimanded? Besides I come from DK, so there is going to be a tax for this (cheap or not). Second, I have other stuff to do before going back to POTA (eventually, going after 40-Year Old Evolution BD set).

Like I said, I still look forward for some sort evidence of the most optimal tracks (for POTA and other titles as well), like you folks are.

Out of curiosity, What makes a person's research helpful, from your experience, may I ask?

It'd be helpful to know which mono or stereo tracks to specifically request so I can add it to a USA BD remux of all 5 films of this series, even though the Extended Cut of 5 = Battle remain on the 2006 DVDs, not the 2000 DVD, prior to the USA BD. So, only the theatrical mixes could be used more easily with all five films from the various reseources, instead of being completely rude and arrogant about it.
I'm going to repeat again, I'm completely ignoring the 5.1 remixes from any and all releases. Are you able to prove Mono [Fold Down from 5.1 Mix] for the USA BDs without owning said discs https://fanrestore.com/thread-5824-post-...l#pid95500 from this post or are you repeating information which you've read on here and other websites? Which NTSC, not PAL, DVD best reflects the mono track? The one released in 2000 or 2006 or just use both for the majority of POTA Pentalogy remuxes?

[SwatDB]

It'd be helpful to know which mono or stereo tracks to specifically request so I can add it to a USA BD remux of all 5 films of this series, even though the Extended Cut of 5 = Battle remain on the 2006 DVDs, not the 2000 DVD, prior to the USA BD. So, only the theatrical mixes could be used more easily with all five films from the various reseources, instead of being completely rude and arrogant about it.
I'm going to repeat again, I'm completely ignoring the 5.1 remixes from any and all releases. Are you able to prove Mono [Fold Down from 5.1 Mix] for the USA BDs without owning said discs https://fanrestore.com/thread-5824-post-...l#pid95500 from this post or are you repeating information which you've read on here and other websites? Which NTSC, not PAL, DVD best reflects the mono track? The one released in 2000 or 2006 or just use both for the majority of POTA Pentalogy remuxes?

I simply did my research from:

A: Fanres (or Fanrestore) [Basic Knowledge]
B: Listening back and forth between the tracks from various home video mixes. [as per Fanres' words]
C: Using notepad to rank and categorize the mixes in different channels and raise them high or low on the rankings, whenever they sounded when presented.

Ergo, I didn't repeat the info from other websites (as you mentioned).

All I was hoping was that someone on this forum own these LDs/DVDs (if not just BDs) in question, to see if my listening experience was accurate (as per my ["UNHELPFUL" as you refer] personal Audio repository report)

Lets take this step by step (focusing on the Mono Mixes, in case you like an optimal sounding stereo section on the next to them).

Planet of the Apes (1968)

Optimal Mono Mix: 1993 PFC Vidéo FR [1054-35] [PCM 1.0 Mono (Digital)]

Beneath the Planet of the Apes (1970)

Optimal Mono Mix: 1983 CBS/Fox Video UK LD [1013-70] (PCM 2.0 Mono)

Escape from the Planet of the Apes (1971)

Optimal Mix (Original Foley FX): 2008 Fox Home Entertainment BD [DTS-HD Master Audio 5.1/Dolby Digital 2.0 Mono]

I checked both the 1991 Fox Video "SWE" LD (PCM 2.0 Stereo) and the 2000 Fox Home Entertainment DVD (Dolby Digital 2.0 Mono) and to my ears they sounded like new foley (fx. some modern helicopter fly-by Foley in the beginning of the film's main titles) rather than using the OG mix (as the 2008 BD's 5.1 and Mono mixes did). If you own either editions, please let me know if I'm inaccurate or not.

Conquest of the Planet of the Apes (1972)

Optimal Mixes: 2008 Fox Home Entertainment BD [DTS-HD Master Audio 5.1/Dolby Digital 2.0 Mono]
I wasn't able to listen to the 1983 CBS/Fox Video UK LD [PG-Rated Theatrical Version], BTW.

I haven't been able to check "Battle for the Planet of the Apes" (1973) yet but I hope to do so, one day if I have enough funds.

So, which audio mix is the most optimal for "BFTPOTA" '73

Pre-1990 VHS/LD Mixes?
1999 THX LD?
2008 BD?

To get things straight:

- Are the 2006 DVD Mono mixes identical to the 2008 BD Monos?
- Are some of the 2000 DVD Stereos coming from the Pre-Release Stereo (if not 1990s Chace Stereo Mixes)?
- If the audio source for both channel options on a title are identical, then please help me out and let me know if it is a downmix or not, in case I don't want to make the person upset of being mislead by me or anything.

Do I have to do more research than this?
Thank you :-)

[jonno]

The 'mono' tracks on the 2008 region A Blu-ray set have received a good amount of scrutiny in the subsequent 18(!) years. Apes / audio scholars more knowledgeable than I laid out the main evidence that they're mixed down from the surround tracks: they're suspiciously clean and smooth, the content and sonic balance are identical to those of the 5.1 mixes, and they simply don't represent the tastes and characteristics of 60s/70s mixing practices.

It's certainly become more apparent to me since I've tracked down the actual mono tracks on a variety of earlier releases. Even when the content matches, the energy and emphasis are all wrong on the 2008 tracks. In the days of actual mono mixing, music would rarely overlap with dialogue, so it would generally be loud and proud in the mix. The 2008 mixers (working from whatever sources they had - certainly discrete dialogue/music+FX tracks) took a more modern approach in the 5.1s, frequently dialing down the scores to more 'polite' levels and throwing away a great deal of their presence in the process.

Why did Fox attempt to fake these mono tracks rather than just leave them out? I can only assume the weight of expectation forced them to provide a 'theatrical' experience, even though they lacked the resources to actually provide one. Who knows what state the actual original tracks have survived in - one hopes that some generation of the mixers' work exists on intact mag reels somewhere in the archive, but they were either troublesome to locate or not worth the effort to restore.

Anyway, the TL;DR for all my previous posts is something like this. Here are my suggested listening options for an authentic theatrical experience of each film:

Planet of the Apes (1968) - PFC FR LD 1993 (PCM mono)

Beneath the Planet of the Apes (1970) - CBS-Fox PAL LD 1983 (analogue mono)
(Side note: an authentic original 4-track stereo mix exists for Beneath on the 2000 Fox R1 DVD. Though this wasn't used theatrically, it does originate from the original production - and it sounds terrific.)

Escape from the Planet of the Apes (1971) - Fox 2000 R1 DVD (DD mono)

Conquest of the Planet of the Apes (1972) - Fox 2006 R1 DVD (DD mono)

Battle for the Planet of the Apes (1973) - CBS-Fox 1983 PAL VHS (analogue mono)