[Released] Terminator 2 CDS mix

[Stamper]

Beber apparently the 2003 french dub in 5.1 on the final edition was a french made remix by a company called Maïa. That could explain why it sounds blah. I never bought this release myself, but might get it for the book and the bonus documentary included, and just check out how they messed up the sound unauthorised. I think it's cheap in many stores now.

[Chewtobacca]

Something worth pursuing or a waste of time?

I think it's worth pursuing for people who like the SE. I don't much but might be persuaded to lend a hand at some point. Whole sections would need to be taken from the SE, so I don't think there'd be any real need for manipulation of the individual channels. Adjusting for differences in volume might be necessary though.

[Beber]

Beber apparently the 2003 french dub in 5.1 on the final edition was a french made remix by a company called Maïa. That could explain why it sounds blah. I never bought this release myself, but might get it for the book and the bonus documentary included, and just check out how they messed up the sound unauthorised. I think it's cheap in many stores now.

The bonus documentary is just an episode of the series of documentaries "The Directors" that Ciné Cinéma used to air. Since Ciné Cinéma was a Canal+ Group channel, they just put that on a DVD to make people double dip in case the 5.1 French track had not sufficed. My brother bought it. I did not 'cause 2 years before I bought the Ultimate. The documentary is not even up to date in 2003 standards and Studio Canal messed up the disc serigraphies: disc 1 is actually disc 3 or whatever, they mixed them up.

[zoidberg]

Interesting. On a note, there is a french UMD in 1.78:1 http://www.dvdfr.com/dvd/f20163-terminator-2.html

Could this be the open matte version that is elusive on the internet? Any info?

EDIT FOUND A REVIEW IT'S ZOOMED IN! WHEN IT'S A SUPER 35 FILM!

I genuinely don't think an open matte of the Extreme Edition scan was ever released or even mastered. Even the 16:9 broadcast on UK TV was a pan and scan of the scope frame.

[Beber]

Something worth pursuing or a waste of time?

I think it's worth pursuing for people who like the SE. I don't much but might be persuaded to lend a hand at some point.  Whole sections would need to be taken from the SE, so I don't think there'd be any real need for manipulation of the individual channels. Adjusting for differences in volume might be necessary though.

Personally, I prefer the SE. However I very much dislike the smiling scene. Back in the day, I made my own cut using the *.m2ts portions out of the Skynet Edition: my version was basically the extended cut, except that I went back to the theatrical for the lunch break on the road to get rid of the smiling scene and I also went back to the original ending, so no future coda. But I included the T1000 searching John's room. That would be my preference. Just a personnal choice. If I had the skills of the people here, I'd do that cut with the best sources available.

[Stamper]

ChainsawAsh, great idea. I was thinking about the idea of making a custom mix, using the best parts of both mixes and cutting seamlessly from one to the other. For example, Beber says the explosions are better in the remix.
Like those custom mixes that were made for the SW original releases.
You could for example have the surrounds activity of the corridor scene from the CDS, AND the rifle cocking sound in the surrounds too all in one mix. Just an idea.

[Chewtobacca]

^^ It might be possible to do what you want using the 2015 BD. If I get the chance, I'll look into it.

It's funny though: the future coda is the only bit that I like about the extended cut.

EDIT: Unfortunately, the JP DVD with the DTS does not sync with just an initial delay. If a BD or HD DVD track does, it will probably be the preferred choice: no editing.

[Beber]

ChainsawAsh, great idea. I was thinking about the idea of making a custom mix, using the best parts of both mixes and cutting seamlessly from one to the other. For example, Beber says the explosions are better in the remix.
Like those custom mixes that were made for the SW original releases.
You could for example have the surrounds activity of the corridor scene from the CDS, AND the rifle cocking sound in the surrounds too all in one mix. Just an idea.

I don't think I mentionned anything about the explosions. In fact, I'm quite sure I didn't 'cause I have not fully compared. However I did mention that scene :


That laser blast right in the audience face is very cool on the Skynet Edition in DTS HDMA, on the Japanese in TrueHD I think, and in DTS HDMA on the SE French 2-disc set you just received also, I believe. That blast is demo like to show off and convince people to get a home theater.

[ChainsawAsh]

Alright. Once a lossless copy of the CDS mix is available, I guess I'll use that and rip the DTS-HD MA from my copy of the 2015 BD and use that to create a Extended Cut "CDS Mix." Unless I should be using a different source (or multiple sources) for the extended cut scenes (like maybe the original Laserdisc mix matrixed out to 5.1 channels, possibly taking the .1 from the 5.1 on the 2015 disc).

Any scene that is unchanged from the theatrical version will use the CDS mix as is, though. I won't be swapping out bits from other mixes because they may or may not sound "better." The idea is just to "expand" the CDS mix for the EE, not to create a "best mix" overall - non-CDS material will be limited to extended scenes only unless for some reason it's absolutely necessary.

If anyone has thoughts on what sources should be used for the extended scenes, let me know and I'll do my best to use those.

But again, I won't start working on this until I have a lossless copy of the CDS mix. Assuming that it is, in fact, the CDS mix on the StudioCanal BDs - has that been confirmed 100% or are we still just "pretty sure" about it?

[zoidberg]

There's a lot, a lot more LFE in the remix. The original mix stuck to the baby boom principle, most of the bass is in the actual speaker channels. Listen to the Live AC3 track's LFE in audacity and you'll hear it's a low pass filter of the front channels with some extra kick when needed. An interesting project for someone would be to switch the LFE tracks between mixes.

I used to love the remix on the Ultimate Edition DVD, absolutely love it. Once I'd heard the original mix on laserdisc though there was no going back.