(2023-03-25, 06:48 PM)dvdmike Wrote: I don't buy that, and the links are to poor sources

The German Theatrical 4K has 2 English tracks:

• English 5.1, TrueHD, unlabeled
  
• English 5.1, Dolby Digital, "Restoration of Original Mix - 1979 Version Only"
  

Here are photos of the disc menu: https://forum.blu-ray.com/showpost.php?p...count=4104

So that suggests that there are at least two distinct 5.1 mixes. Otherwise, either they'd mark the TrueHD track as "original mix" also, or they'd only need to include one of them.

Now, back to the Italian Theatrical 4K. It has a DTS-HD MA 5.1 track. Here's what Geoff D says:

Quote:Eagle have a habit of ignoring new mixes, or if not ignoring then not having them made available to them, and just using whatever they have on their books for the English audio (which worked to our favour on Total Recall). So with that in mind I pulled the old 2011 UK Blu-ray of Apocalypse Now and the DTS-HD MA 5.1 on that essentially matches the Eagle DTS-HD MA 5.1, they're significantly louder and more bolshy than those more recent 5.1 encodes.

Given these, I'm inclined to believe that the Eagle disc indeed has an non-"original" 5.1 mix. Still, it does include the correct line of dialog.

Sure, these are still circumstantial evidence. But that's the best I can find short of someone doing an in-depth analysis on the two tracks. I genuinely wonder if you have a source proving otherwise. I, for one, would love to see that the Italian disc's track is the 1979 original mix, because that's the one I plan to pick up due to the above mentioned tradeoff b/w DV FEL and OG mix.

Geoff D is full of it and always was, I own the Italian disc.
And going by what a disc says is a fools errand, look at scream and others labeling downmixes as original audio.
Until an expert on audio here or Walter Merch says it then it's all fud from poor sources.

Geoff D is out of his mind. Once on that board he objected to something I wrote, so I provided the source.
Turned out the source was a web review written by him!
So the same guy, says something in a review, and when you submit the affirmation to him, he says it's false, and when he realise he contradict himself, he amend the web review to reflect his current opinon.
There's nothing left to be said, to anything he writes, period.

Where does the AC3 LD fit into all of this? I'd just assumed that one was the most faithful to the mag mix. That mix and the LPCM LD are perfectly terrific too.

(2023-03-27, 11:03 PM)borisanddoris Wrote: Where does the AC3 LD fit into all of this?  I'd just assumed that one was the most faithful to the mag mix.  That mix and the LPCM LD are perfectly terrific too.

That was pre-redux, so I assume that would be the restoration mix (unless it's a unique third mix I was unaware of). I came out in 1997, the same year the restoration mix was done. 

And lddb mentions this

Quote:Digital Stereo Soundtrack and AC-3 remixed by Walter Murch at Skywalker Sound North and Saul Zaentz Film Center.

Which would also mean that the Stereo track on the LD is based off the 97 mix and not the original stereo like I always thought, but that's another topic.

If you have it ripped I'd love to check it out. At this point I might do a full write-up comparing the mixes.

(2023-03-25, 08:56 PM)axeyou Wrote:

(2023-03-25, 06:48 PM)dvdmike Wrote: I don't buy that, and the links are to poor sources

The German Theatrical 4K has 2 English tracks:

• English 5.1, TrueHD, unlabeled
  
• English 5.1, Dolby Digital, "Restoration of Original Mix - 1979 Version Only"
  

Here are photos of the disc menu: https://forum.blu-ray.com/showpost.php?p...count=4104

So that suggests that there are at least two distinct 5.1 mixes. Otherwise, either they'd mark the TrueHD track as "original mix" also, or they'd only need to include one of them.

If anyone's interested in checking the Original 5.1 mix from the German Apocalypse Now UHD, PM me.

As I suspected, the Restored Mix on the German UHD is the same that's on the remastered R1 BD. I was hoping it would be a higher bitrate, but seems to be the exact same encode.

(2023-03-24, 09:31 AM)axeyou Wrote: Here's the thing though: If you go the remux route, there are very few players that can fully play back DV FEL (profile 7) from m2ts or mkv.

That list is a bit misleading. The Chromecast with Google TV doesn't actually work properly with FEL. It'll play, sure, but you don't actually get the FEL data. So any encode-fixing fill-in data is still missing. And the Apple TV 4K doesn't actually fallback to HDR10. It plays DV content just fine.