Cube 2 DTS-ES Matrix track from the Polish DVD

[jerryshadoe]

Wow, the prices there are a lot cheaper than here in the US. Maybe I should start buying me blurays from Europe, LOL.

Hope the DVD is actually worth it

Keep us updated...

[jedeitor]

Of course!

[spoRv]

jedeitor, you are lucky, because Hiszpania could be understanded because is similar to España... do you know that Italia in Polish is Włochy?!? How can someone think about it?!? Polish language is strange, too many letters, I always says that... do they REALLY need three Zs?!?

[jedeitor]

Wow, now I understand why I couldn't find Italy either. LOL

[jerryshadoe]

Well, in Spanish - Germany is "Alemania" and how would someone figure that out?? Each language has it's own unique structure, just look at Chinese

The three "Z's" are not actually "Z's" and sound very different from each other but let's not get too off-topic about differences in languages and their respective alphabets, LOL

This is why translators come in handy, especially for the projects we do here

[jedeitor]

Hey, the english word "Germany" also differs from the name the germans use, "Deutschland".

[jerryshadoe]

Like I said, all languages are different and that's why we need translators

[jerryshadoe]

So jedeitor received the Polish Cube 2 DVD in the mail a couple of days ago and I now have the DTS-ES audio track from it, as well as the AC3 track that it needs to get synced to. Am working on correcting the speed/pitch right now and it looks like it will be a pretty straight-forward, easy syncing job after that. Once this is done, I'll encode the DTS-HDMA track from those corrected audio files and then send them over to Andrea for the project (of course, jedeitor if you want them too, you did provide the source by purchasing the DVD so I feel obligated to send it to you too)

Things that I have already noticed and think should be mentioned:

- the DTS-ES track is HALF-bitrate (~768kbps) and not full-bitrate like we were hoping

- there is a lot more dynamic range present in the DTS-ES track

- the frequency cut-off on the AC3 is about 16.5-17 kHz, whereas the DTS-ES track peaks at 19.5 kHz

- once the speed/pitch have been adjusted, the track syncs PERFECTLY with the AC3, so no extra syncing is required and this implies that they are both from the same master

[jedeitor]

Thanks, Jerry!

I thought that a bitrate of over 1500kbps was only present in the DTS-HD tracks.

No need to send me the converted file.

Can you know if the extra channel in this mix is just one of the 5.1 mix replicated or if it is a totally new channel?

Is it possible to get an "isolated score track" using this mix?

[jerryshadoe]

No problem Jedeitor

Well, for lossy DTS the "cap" is 1536kbps and this DVD had half of that, hence "half-bitrate" of 768kbps. You are correct that anything above that bitrate of 1536kbps for the core, is used for lossless DTS-HDMA tracks.

I have already sent the converted audio to Andrea.

I think that it could be replicated from the 5.1 mix, as this is a 6.1 Matrix and, really, the center surround is "uniquely" created from the left and right surround channels. This would be different if this was a 6.1 Discrete mix, as at that point (most likely) it would be a more "unique" channel. There's a lot more "tech-babble" involved here but I just don't want to get into that right now, LOL

HOWEVER, I did do some tests and tried to "re-create" this "extra" channel from the 5.1 mix that was sent to me as "sync-reference," and I noticed that I couldn't completely replicate the extra channel that is present in the 6.1 DTS mix. It was close, but always seemed like it was lacking some fidelity. Speaking of fidelity and, of course, dynamic range, clarity, the DTS-ES track blows the the AC3 track out of the park. When listening to certain parts of both sources on my surround sound system, I noticed a lot more action in the LFE, slightly cleaner dialog, and very nice use of panning for sfx with some very nice use of the surrounds on the DTS track, whereas the AC3 track (although not bad) lacked a little bit there but, at times, the front left and right speakers were a little cleaner in the AC3 track VS the DTS track where I noticed a little bit of distortion but very briefly.

As far as "isolated score track" is concerned, honestly in case of isolated scores tracks in general, there are usually sfx present with the music. this is not always the case and at times can be done by replacing parts of music using actual CD material, but it's a pain in the ass. I have been working on a LOSSLESS "isolated score track" for "the matrix" for about a year and had 90% of it done months ago, but that last 10% is a nightmare because the music was uniquely mixed for "that" part of the audio track. In cases like this, where no other source is available, some major "tricks" have to be played and they have such mixed, inconsistent results that it's a nightmare to work on. Eventually, I'll complete it, but I don't know if I see myself working on another one after an experience like that. There are better uses of my life