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Done A LOT of tests yesterday - and this night as well... HDTV regrade is good, but far from perfect, so I've moved the focus to BD; I tried to be as closer as possible to film, but at the same time taking some advantage of the BD master.
film scan Vs BD regraded as film: http://screenshotcomparison.com/comparison/127506
I think result is quite good, a lot better than the previous test.
BD Vs BD regraded as film: http://screenshotcomparison.com/comparison/127507
color difference between them is astonishing!
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That's great, I notice you lose the orangey look of the 35mm and the fleshtones are now looking more accurate even if the picture is stylised.
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(2017-12-28, 12:18 AM)CSchmidlapp Wrote: (2017-12-27, 11:51 PM)ilovewaterslides Wrote: It looks green on that old CAMrip that I still have though which is pretty close to some samples that they used to show on the news when the movie came out.
Here's a comparison between these "news samples" screenshots and my custom BD regrade: https://imgur.com/a/F1k1W
Looks great.
Have you made your custom available?
Thanks! I didn't yet because unfortunately, during the encoding process I've made the file interlaced... so I was quite ashamed of that and it would be time consuming as hell to redo it. It's not disturbing though, unless you're skipping through the movie. Doesn't change the quality so if you're still interested I can definitely create a topic and find a way to make it available for everyone here 
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(2017-12-29, 11:42 AM)ilovewaterslides Wrote: Thanks! I didn't yet because unfortunately, during the encoding process I've made the file interlaced... so I was quite ashamed of that and it would be time consuming as hell to redo it. It's not disturbing though, unless you're skipping through the movie. Doesn't change the quality so if you're still interested I can definitely create a topic and find a way to make it available for everyone here
I'd definitely be interested in your custom regrade. I'm in the camp with those who feel that the 35mm scan doesn't accurately reflect how the Matrix looked theatrically. I accept that perhaps that particular print looks that way for whatever reason but it just doesn't look like I remember the film looking. I accept that 1999 was a long time ago but I remember the look of the movie leaving quite an impression on me. I'm certain I would not have felt that way had it been bathed in all that yellow, almost sepia in some scenes.
The colours in your regrade just look more right to me.
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BD regraded as film, test clip 1 (9m50s, AVC 10mbps 1080p, AC-3 5.1 384kbps from LD):
https://mega.nz/#!UuAV2SAD!MpQpm8T_Npac1...iTwJZOP44E
as this is a test clip, of course there are problems...
- first few frames are wrong
- there are some frames with white random pixels on black background
- sometimes the matching goes nuts - like in the torchlight shot, first frames
- sometimes the image "glows"
overall, it's a nice experiment, it gives you a "film feeling" somehow...
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The new colors definitely look much better. Someone should probably invent a color space where saturation is more constant across different brightnesses.
The clip has lots of artifacts and banding though. Banding could probably be solved with grain plate, but the artifacts are bad, especially the ones where highlights turn out black, like in the blinking cursor in the beginning. Am I right assuming this happened because the overlay wasn't perfect? Maybe that new overlay plugin could help with that?
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(2017-12-29, 11:42 AM)ilovewaterslides Wrote: Thanks! I didn't yet because unfortunately, during the encoding process I've made the file interlaced... so I was quite ashamed of that and it would be time consuming as hell to redo it. It's not disturbing though, unless you're skipping through the movie. Doesn't change the quality so if you're still interested I can definitely create a topic and find a way to make it available for everyone here
Yes bud, let's start a new thread so we don't continue to derail this one 
(2017-12-29, 01:45 PM)Turisu Wrote: I'd definitely be interested in your custom regrade. I'm in the camp with those who feel that the 35mm scan doesn't accurately reflect how the Matrix looked theatrically. I accept that perhaps that particular print looks that way for whatever reason but it just doesn't look like I remember the film looking. I accept that 1999 was a long time ago but I remember the look of the movie leaving quite an impression on me. I'm certain I would not have felt that way had it been bathed in all that yellow, almost sepia in some scenes.
The colours in your regrade just look more right to me.
I'm in agreement.
I like the 35mm scan but something does not sit with me also.
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(2017-12-29, 04:22 PM)TomArrow Wrote: The new colors definitely look much better. Someone should probably invent a color space where saturation is more constant across different brightnesses.
The clip has lots of artifacts and banding though. Banding could probably be solved with grain plate, but the artifacts are bad, especially the ones where highlights turn out black, like in the blinking cursor in the beginning. Am I right assuming this happened because the overlay wasn't perfect? Maybe that new overlay plugin could help with that?
It is just a test after all Tom. SpoRv puts a lot of work into these projects. I don't think he even sleeps!
Not sure about the new colour space but it needs a name to sell it. FanresColour anyone?
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(2017-12-29, 05:13 PM)zoidberg Wrote: (2017-12-29, 04:22 PM)TomArrow Wrote: The new colors definitely look much better. Someone should probably invent a color space where saturation is more constant across different brightnesses.
The clip has lots of artifacts and banding though. Banding could probably be solved with grain plate, but the artifacts are bad, especially the ones where highlights turn out black, like in the blinking cursor in the beginning. Am I right assuming this happened because the overlay wasn't perfect? Maybe that new overlay plugin could help with that?
It is just a test after all Tom. SpoRv puts a lot of work into these projects. I don't think he even sleeps!
You're right. I didn't mean to sound unappreciative, was just thinking aloud.
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