[In progress] Alien saga [Fundamental Collection]

[foe]

Subpar release.

It is your opinion, and should be respected, even if I do not agree.

NUKED from all private trackers.

Which ones? They were released in just ONE private tracker - and then spread across the web by others.

All of the releases feature an artificial "screen shake" that moves the image up/down/left/right several pixels every frame. This does not occur in any of the source material so it is concluded the OP, spoRv, purposely added the one thing that makes the release unwatchable..

"Screen shake"? Purposely added? Please, explain.

I only say subpar because of the amateur screen shake added. Otherwise the the level balancing of your "color match" is pretty nice.

Which ones? The ones that matter, namely PTP. Links to your releases were even removed from snahp.it which is a very rare occurrence.

Now here's the kicker, you're really trying to say you can't tell the difference between ANY other release and your release? Try progressing through the video frame by frame and notice random jumps -- easily noticeable during things like opening credit sequences or scenes where the camera doesn't move at all but your image keeps jumping around.
If you really don't see it, I can make clips exemplifying this aberration.

P.S. I'm just here to notify you that your releases are being NUKED after being reviewed by cinephiles and perhaps help you realize what the issues are that made that happen.

[spoRv]

I only say subpar because of the amateur screen shake added. Otherwise the the level balancing of your "color match" is pretty nice.

Thanks.

Which ones? The ones that matter, namely PTP. Links to your releases were even removed from snahp.it which is a very rare occurrence.

You see, even if I agree that PTP name matters, I never posted it here, so...

Now here's the kicker, you're really trying to say you can't tell the difference between ANY other release and your release? Try progressing through the video frame by frame and notice random jumps -- easily noticeable during things like opening credit sequences or scenes where the camera doesn't move at all but your image keeps jumping around.
If you really don't see it, I can make clips exemplifying this aberration.

Yes please. Because, if it's there, and I haven't seen it, I must make something to fix it.

[Turisu]

I really don't know who you are or where you're from. But spoRv's work on all of his projects are greatly appreciated here. In his position, I'm not sure that I would particularly care about releases falling "into nothingness" on sites I've never heard of much less posted to.

You may or may not have raised a valid technical issue with this release (I don't have it available to check right now) but your self-entitled and abrasive attitude isn't going to go very far in this community as most members here know how to show respect even when offering constructive criticism of a project.

My personal preference would be that you not wait one more post and just go back now onto whatever site or tracker that obviously deems this kind of behaviour acceptable.

[spoRv]

@foe: if you talk about pixel shifting image in Alien - especially in the opening titles - I've just checked, and it was IN THE SOURCE (that is not the Blu-ray).

[foe]

This isn't something that happens randomly either, it's occurs throughout the ENTIRE movies, from 00:00:00 to finish, most noticeable during still shots.

If you can't see it from this post and want me to go more in-depth adding reference points that indicate artificial frame movement I will but it will take me some time to complete in a manner that is understandable.

The easiest, least bandwidth-usage way, I can exemplify it is with this still shot of the drinking bird where for the first moments before panning to the left the camera is motionless but in your encode it shakes. (both uncompressed bitmaps to hopefully help show the issue)

https://diff.pics/fflDRhpnFRuY/1

Add a reference point at any x,y in one image and compare it with same coords on the next image and you will see the entire image is shifted. This happens every several frames for the ENTIRE movie and for the Alien encode is only exacerbated by the choice of D-Theater. It exists in your subsequent Aliens and Aliens 3 encode that I've checked as well only not as severe -- likely because those were BD video rips and didn't exacerbate whatever processing was done on the encode.

If you'd like I can also show you reference images of the same frames in a different encode that doesn't have this distortion -- but I figure you must have so many versions of this laying around you should've been able to notice this.

Another good place to see this is 1 minute after the drinking bird where you see still shots of space helmets and a computer (that are still in every other encode I check, but randomly move around in your encode). I can take shots of those too if you need just not trying to dedicate all my time to this, just as a tracker dev and cinephile I'm trying to help an encoder notice their mistakes. (If you fix the screen shake issue your encodes for Alien franchise could be considered the best available encodes) It shouldn't take much time to look at see; the only reason I can think of that would make you not notice this is maybe if you have eyesight issues.

[foe]

@foe: if you talk about pixel shifting image in Alien - especially in the opening titles - I've just checked, and it was IN THE SOURCE (that is not the Blu-ray).

I knew you would try to say this since you used D-Theater VHS, but it's in Aliens as well which is 100% BD video rip. Want me to use Aliens screenshots as an example instead of Alien?

Edit add: If you look closely when the frame warps it removes noise/blocking, so I think it might be part of your DNR or deblocking algo that causes this.

[foe]

I really don't know who you are or where you're from. But spoRv's work on all of his projects are greatly appreciated here. In his position, I'm not sure that I would particularly care about releases falling "into nothingness" on sites I've never heard of much less posted to.

You may or may not have raised a valid technical issue with this release (I don't have it available to check right now) but your self-entitled and abrasive attitude isn't going to go very far in this community as most members here know how to show respect even when offering constructive criticism of a project.

My personal preference would be that you not wait one more post and just go back now onto whatever site or tracker that obviously deems this kind of behaviour acceptable.

Your post is so important and applicable to the topic about Alien Fundamental Collection releases, please tell us more.

[spoRv]

@foe: if you talk about pixel shifting image in Alien - especially in the opening titles - I've just checked, and it was IN THE SOURCE (that is not the Blu-ray).

I knew you would try to say this since you used D-Theater VHS, but it's in Aliens as well which is 100% BD video rip. Want me to use Aliens screenshots as an example instead of Alien?

Edit add: If you look closely at the video when the frame warps it removes noise, so I think it might be part of your DNR algo that causes this.

Checked the "birds" shots, it is in the source; and, if it's in Aliens (mine) and not on BD, I would like to know where, please.

What I mostly did on these projects is color matching, hence I don't think (eventual) DNR will cause this behaviour; if so, it should be in every other my releases... and, as my eyesight is 100% good (both details and colors), I should have spotted them (whenever it was not in the source, of course), as I watch every single project more than once, before release - it happened ONCE that I made a mistake on a SINGLE frame, but, you know, humans blink, every now and then, so I hope I could be forgiven...

[foe]

@foe: if you talk about pixel shifting image in Alien - especially in the opening titles - I've just checked, and it was IN THE SOURCE (that is not the Blu-ray).

I knew you would try to say this since you used D-Theater VHS, but it's in Aliens as well which is 100% BD video rip. Want me to use Aliens screenshots as an example instead of Alien?

Edit add: If you look closely at the video when the frame warps it removes noise, so I think it might be part of your DNR algo that causes this.

Checked the "birds" shots, it is in the source; and, if it's in Aliens (mine) and not on BD, I would like to know where, please.

What I mostly did on these projects is color matching, hence I don't think (eventual) DNR will cause this behaviour; if so, it should be in every other my releases... and, as my eyesight is 100% good (both details and colors), I should have spotted them (whenever it was not in the source, of course), as I watch every single project more than once, before release - it happened ONCE that I made a mistake on a SINGLE frame, but, you know, humans blink, every now and then, so I hope I could be forgiven...

So the initial frame abnormalities are caused by the D-Theater source, I suppose I can agree with that but like I said I think it gets worse with whatever you do after ripping.
And I wasn't inferring you have bad eyesight, I was simply trying to find a reason why anyone wouldn't notice it.
And of course you are forgiven LOL these are only movies not the end of the world and I'm just trying to help (wouldn't have started with a bad taste if I wasn't banned for pointing out this issue   )


I will say it's not as apparent in the sequels which is probably caused by that D-Theater source but is still there. There are not as many still shots that I can think of or find off hand so the credits are perfect to show this. Here are frame comparisons for your encode of Aliens, I just started it grabbed the first noticeable distortion I can clearly show however it is apparent even on the first words ("A James Cameron Film") being show in opening sequence I just grabbed one that seemed more noticeable:

https://diff.pics/PSZAzBNWmGKS/1

As soon as the space scape is shown at 1:22 you can see the nebulas moving left to right for no reason. Then look at the credits for Executive Producers "shaking". Now you can clearly see "Music Composed by Jeff Horner" pixel shifting.


It's hard to show over the boards, and would be much easier if we were both standing next to each other looking at the same screen so I could point out the aberrations while they occur but hopefully this helps you see what I'm talking about.

[spoRv]

At the end, your annotations were right, there were those pixel shifting instances; but the horizontal shift you noted in Aliens ("Music composed...") in frames 2120 and 2121 is on the source... dunno if it's not in yours, but it is in mine... I must admit you have very good eyesight to have noted this, congratulations! Yet, they are not my faults; said so, this could be easily fixed (eventually), where previous "birds" can't (and also CAN'T be produced by any DNR and/or other filters), as it was due to a wobble in the scan (I guess it could be fixed, probably, but not so easily).

After this, if you still think these kind of problems are due to my process, I can't let you change your mind, so I surrender!

About PTP and the like: again, I have NOT posted my projects there - even if my memory lacks, at least, as inventor of ColourMatch plugin, I don't think I'd post my own project misspelling this!