2021-02-13, 04:10 AM
(This post was last modified: 2021-02-13, 04:32 PM by weegee2392.
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(2020-12-12, 11:20 AM)Stamper Wrote: After sorting all this out, indeed, the 2001 SE is the original mono whereas the first Blu-ray is a downmix, you can hear it as there's some echo-y sound during some scenes, which only happens when tracks aren't lined up and then folded together (like fake surround, which is obtained by desync in the rears for the wide effect).Later Re-issues from Warner Bros. may have re-mix the sound using the AIP M&E track. When MGM wanted to do a re issue in Stereo and later surround sound they must’ve stumbled upon the original domestic Australian mix and had used that instead of AIP’s original M&E track, only problem is it had that awful reverb. (Upon the other bad decisions they made) Roadshow kept The domestic mix around for their old VHS and TV releases until the R4 DVD when they swapped out for the stereo mix to mix their 5.1 properly minus the fact that it still has that awful reverb, so to a lot of all older viewers outside of Australia the so-called “first reissue’s” mix IS the The films original mix. But that’s just my opinion.
That's the problem when the remix appeared, it completely confused the mono mix history.
Thanks to Jonno I got the UK Warner Pal VHS and it features the mono found on the MGM DVD.
It sounds a bit muffled, but doing a comparison with headphones, they are clearly the same aussie mix!
This tape was released after years of people complaining that only the american dub was featured in all UK VHS.
So what does it means?
There are four possibilities:
1/ Somewhere along the line in the 90's, when they decided to remix the film, they grabbed a wrong, unfinished back up tape off the shelf, and it's the one that ended up being used for the 5.1 remix, that was then downmixed and passed as the old mono, producing endless confusion on release after release.
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2/ Two different mono M&E tracks mixes were produced, one in Australia, one in America, which could be plausible as AIP always doctored the soundtracks of their foreign films releases. It would appear all the foreign dubs were produced using the AIP M&E track. You can hear this by listening to them on the Blu-ray discs.
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3/ The original mono australian found on the Warner Europe DVD and all the foreign dubs on the Blu-ray and DVDs were doctored and reconformed from the AIP dub (ie composite mixes where the not speaking parts were all taken from the US dub and they just edited the dialogue parts in). But some of those have unique EQ that would be hard to be consistent all the way through if one made a composite hodge podge of tracks.
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4/ Some countries mix their dub with the Aussie, like the italian, and when Mad Max is re-released after Mad Max 2 success, some countries remix their dubs using the AIP track. Maybe the Australian do it too and this would explain the existence of the alternate aussie/AIP hybrid found on the Warner VHS/DVD and the alternate italian earlier track on VHS as reported on the MadMaxForum, and the existence of the two alternate australian tv airings!
This need research by putting all mixes in a timeline, syncing all of them and making comparisons. This will take time! But I'm starting to gather all the necessary videos including TV airings from Australia.
