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Once Upon a time in the west Arriving on 4K
#31
(2024-06-08, 06:47 AM)PDB Wrote: I think it’s safe to say at this point that Paramount is at best hit or miss at the 4k game.

I did an upscale of the Italian extended dvd some years ago. I have to see if I can dig it out or at least redo it.

So that best solution seems to be sticking to the old BD? If I did an upscale of that BD to 4k what changes would need to be made? I know the rising has to be removed. But is the ending just a matter of the music or is it the title coming in at the wrong time?
That would be fantastic especially converted to non pal speed to help reconstruct the ending as the German print has some missing frames.
The 2011 bd is the best option because the 4k master is so overprocessed but the new BD is better than the UHD visually in areas because it has proper encoding but the same baked in crap.

The opening footage can be replaced back into the film which I’ve already done a version of but the best overall method would be to sync the 1994 LD mono, reinstate the opening footage with the German print pieces, and the ending would switch over to the German mono to keep the mono mix with correct music and the correct end title placement though it’s the German version. The Italian and paramount master can be used to patch in the missing frames but you’d have to use the soundtrack cue for the complete music as both of those have the bad edit. Then you have to place the full cue of the exit music after the paramount logo. Both soundtrack cues have to be level matched and folded to mono.

We don’t have any version of the original US credits, which didn’t have the spinning logo and are supposed to look just like the German and Italian versions in terms of having the title come up there and then disappear.

I’ve been playing with this trying to include a reconstructed version of the opening and closing for the end of my documentary. I added a section where I discussed the Italian DVD having additional fragments so if possible I’d like to include the bits and bobs hopefully without speed up.
Damn Fool Idealistic Crusader
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#32
I'm wondering if with the information we have from VW etc. we could at some point reconstruct the american edit?
It's still missing in action. I know it was a butcher job, but nonetheless, it's historic.
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#33
(2024-06-11, 10:35 PM)captainsolo Wrote:
(2024-06-08, 06:47 AM)PDB Wrote: I think it’s safe to say at this point that Paramount is at best hit or miss at the 4k game.

I did an upscale of the Italian extended dvd some years ago. I have to see if I can dig it out or at least redo it.

So that best solution seems to be sticking to the old BD? If I did an upscale of that BD to 4k what changes would need to be made? I know the rising has to be removed. But is the ending just a matter of the music or is it the title coming in at the wrong time?
That would be fantastic especially converted to non pal speed to help reconstruct the ending as the German print has some missing frames.
The 2011 bd is the best option because the 4k master is so overprocessed but the new BD is better than the UHD visually in areas because it has proper encoding but the same baked in crap.

The opening footage can be replaced back into the film which I’ve already done a version of but the best overall method would be to sync the 1994 LD mono, reinstate the opening footage with the German print pieces, and the ending would switch over to the German mono to keep the mono mix with correct music and the correct end title placement though it’s the German version. The Italian and paramount master can be used to patch in the missing frames but you’d have to use the soundtrack cue for the complete music as both of those have the bad edit. Then you have to place the full cue of the exit music after the paramount logo. Both soundtrack cues have to be level matched and folded to mono.

We don’t have any version of the original US credits, which didn’t have the spinning logo and are supposed to look just like the German and Italian versions in terms of having the title come up there and then disappear.

I’ve been playing with this trying to include a reconstructed version of the opening and closing for the end of my documentary. I added a section where I discussed the Italian DVD having additional fragments so if possible I’d like to include the bits and bobs hopefully without speed up.
Great video as always
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#34
(2024-06-12, 09:46 AM)Stamper Wrote: I'm wondering if with the information we have from VW etc. we could at some point reconstruct the american edit?
It's still missing in action. I know it was a butcher job, but nonetheless, it's historic.
True. In my docu video about the edits I highlight each of the the edits and I’m trying to show over some of my narration what they would’ve been like. For example, when I’m talking about the screwed up ending, I removed the shot of harmonica leading the horses up the hill so I re-created that cut, but I couldn’t figure exactly where the freeze frame was employed. I assumed it was at the longshot just before the spinning title comes in.
Our major problem in trying to reconstruct any version of the original US ending is that we don’t have a version of the original titles without the spinning logo and only have a description of the original US title appearing at the same spot where it does in foreign prints.

It would be miraculous if one of those original fully uncut 1968 dye transfer prints showed up and had escaped being manually cut by Paramount.
Damn Fool Idealistic Crusader
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#35
It's crazy to think we are finally going to get Peckinpah Pat Garett original theatical on UHD, but no one has thought of releasing a Leone Once Upon set with all the different edits (to put it neatly, the european cut and the US butchered cut).
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