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  Blade Runner: The Ultimate Complete Collector's Edition
Posted by: Hydra Spectre - 2022-04-14, 03:11 PM - Forum: Requests, proposals, help - Replies (4)

So, I discovered that the Blu-ray for the Archival Versions (US Theatrical, International Theatrical, Director's Cut) of Blade Runner does not have the best audio, only being in Dolby Digital 5.1, nor is it the original Dolby Stereo mix on LaserDiscs.
I checked that the HD-DVD release has slightly better Dolby Digital Plus audio tracks for the dubbed audio in all versions as well as the English 5.1 audio in the Archival Versions.
Unfortunately, I could not track a single rip or remux of the HD-DVD version of the Final Cut, let alone the Archival Versions (Disc 3).

I also discovered that the Archival Versions Blu-ray, HD-DVD and DVD releases had seamless branching to go between the two different versions, and that it can be replicated with MKVs, as seen in this forum post (which even gives an example of Blade Runner):
https://forum.makemkv.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=897

I have a crazy idea of making ultimate remuxes of Blade Runner, its many different versions, and its bonuses in the following versions:
Blade Runner: The Final Cut in 4K
Sources:
The Final Cut 4K Ultra HD with Dolby Vision Hybrid remux courtesy of Russian pirate group Dolby Vision Torrents (4K UHD video with Dolby Vision, as the retail disc was HDR10-only, Dolby Vision metadata taken from iTunes/Apple TV)
Various international releases of The Final Cut 4K UHD (Dolby Atmos remix; foreign language dubs not available in Dolby Digital Plus, subtitles)
Various international releases of The Final Cut Blu-ray (original Dolby TrueHD 5.1 audio mix, audio commentaries, subtitles)
The Final Cut HD-DVD (Dolby Digital Plus foreign language dubs, subtitles)
Criterion LaserDisc (legacy bonus features not on The Final Cut Blu-ray)

Video:
3840x2160p 2.40:1 HEVC Dolby Vision P8 + HDR10

Audio:
English: Dolby Atmos in Dolby TrueHD
English: Dolby TrueHD 5.1
Japanese: Dolby Digital 2.0 Stereo
Commentary 1: Dolby Digital 2.0
Commentary 2: Dolby Digital 2.0
Commentary 3: Dolby Digital 2.0
Various foreign dubs in Dolby Digital and Dolby Digital Plus, 2.0 and 5.1

Format:
MKV


Blade Runner: The Final Cut in 1080p
Sources:
2017 Japanese dubbed The Final Cut Blu-ray (Dolby Atmos remix, Japanese dub, subtitles)
Various international releases of The Final Cut 4K UHD (foreign language dubs not available in Dolby Digital Plus, subtitles)
Various international releases of The Final Cut Blu-ray (original Dolby TrueHD 5.1 audio, audio commentaries, subtitles)
The Final Cut HD-DVD (Dolby Digital Plus foreign language dubs)

Video:
1920x1080p 2.40:1 VC-1

Audio:
English: Dolby Atmos in Dolby TrueHD
English: Dolby TrueHD 5.1
Japanese: Dolby Digital 2.0 Stereo
Commentary 1: Dolby Digital 2.0
Commentary 2: Dolby Digital 2.0
Commentary 3: Dolby Digital 2.0
Various foreign dubs in Dolby Digital and Dolby Digital Plus, 2.0 and 5.1

Format:
MKV


Blade Runner: Archival Versions in 1080p
Sources:
Various international releases of the Archival Versions Blu-ray disc (superior MPEG-4 AVC video on post-2013 releases, foreign language dubs not available in Dolby Digital Plus, subtitles)
5-Disc Collector's Edition HD-DVD (Dolby Digital Plus audio tracks including the English 5.1 remix, subtitles)
Japanese LaserDisc of the US Theatrical Cut [NJEL-20008] (original Dolby Stereo mix of the US Theatrical Cut, the only release of this cut with digital audio)
US Criterion LaserDiscs of International Theatrical Cut [CC1169L] (CLV) and [CC1120L] (CAV Special Edition) (original Dolby Stereo mix of the Domestic Theatrical Cut)
LaserDiscs of Director's Cut (US) [12682] and (Japan) [NJL-12682] (original Dolby Stereo mix of the Director's Cut)

Video:
1920x1080p 2.40:1 MPEG-4 AVC

Audio:
English: Dolby Digital Plus 5.1
English: Dolby Surround LPCM 2.0
Japanese: Dolby Digital 2.0 Dual Mono
Various foreign dubs in Dolby Digital and Dolby Digital Plus, 2.0 and 5.1

Format:
MKV with seamless branching


Blade Runner: Workprint in 1080p
Sources:
Post-2012 3-Disc Collector's Edition Blu-ray (superior MPEG-4 AVC video and DTS-HD Master Audio 5.1 track)

Video:
1920x1080p 2.20:1 MPEG-4 AVC

Audio:
English: DTS-HD Master Audio 5.1

Format:
MKV


Bonus Features
Post-2012 3-Disc Collector's Edition (exclusive art gallery and HD bonus features)
Pre-2012 5-Disc Collector's Edition bonus DVDs (better SD footage which was poorly converted in the Post-2012 releases; also included with the 4K UHD release)
US Criterion LaserDisc of International Theatrical Cut [CC112https://www.lddb.com/search.php?referenc...e&sort=refL] (CAV Special Edition) (missing bonuses not on the post-2007 releases)

Video:
Various

Audio:
Various

Format:
MKV (Videos)
PNG (Stills)


Blade Runner: The Broadcast Preservation in 1080p
Sources:
Archival Versions: Ultimate Definitive Edition (base video and audio)
CBS Broadcast Cut VHS capture (opening narration, guidelines for editing)
HBO Asia/Cinemax Asia HDTV capture (guidelines for editing, better censored audio)

Video:
1920x1080p 2.40:1 MPEG-4 AVC

Audio:
English [CBS, Remastered]: FLAC 5.1
English [HBO Asia/Cinemax Asia]: FLAC 5.1
English [CBS, Original]: FLAC 1.0

Format:
MKV

The only difference between the two audio mixes is that the CBS track has the opening narration while the HBO Asia/Cinemax Asia cut does not.


This would involve scouring through eBay for the HD-DVD and this may be a daunting task, especially since HD-DVDs are quite hard to come by, especially since the 5-Disc HD-DVD of Blade Runner only came out in North America.
Unfortunately, I cannot do this myself as I do not have the skills and/or equipment to tweak the audio, rip from HD-DVDs. My hard drive is also too small for this task.
I would love for this project to happen.
As I stated, my priority for foreign language dubs is the Japanese dubs but it would be great if all of the other dubs would be included as well.

P.S: It would require someone living in Southeast Asia or Hong Kong to get cable, wait for Blade Runner to come up on HBO or Cinemax, and record the broadcast.

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  Oz the Great and Powerful: The Anti-Cringe Cut
Posted by: James76 - 2022-04-14, 01:35 AM - Forum: Requests, proposals, help - Replies (2)

I was wondering if there would ever be an "anti-cringe cut" fanedit of Sam Raimi's Oz the Great and Powerful (2013), since James Franco was revealed to have misogynistic behavior towards women a couple years back and became a blacklisted actor in the movie industry.

I would like the fanedit if it had the following:

  1. Bruce Campbell's credit removed from the opening credits (since he only had a 2-second cameo),
  2. cringeworthy and mean-spirited jokes removed or trimmed,
  3. bad CG improved, removed, or trimmed,
  4. Mila Kunis deepfaked to have Lady Gaga's face and simulated voice (since Mila Kunis was miscast and gives the worst - and an unintentionally hilarious - Wicked Witch performance),
  5. the Wicked Witch of the West's makeup improved (since it looks like a half-witted Jim Carrey in The Mask - "Smokin', my pretty!", anyone?),
  6. James Franco deepfaked to have Robert Downey Jr.'s face and simulated voice (since the role was originally meant to be for Downey),
  7. the 1939-movie-referencing dialogue removed (to make it stand on its own as a "spiritual prequel" rather than a "bad movie referencing a good movie that spiritually comes after it and we'd rather be watching that instead of this"),
  8. the entire movie re-scored with the music of someone other than Danny Elfman and his credit altered to be that composer instead of Danny Elfman (since Danny Elfman does the same music over and over since the late-1990's and this movie's score sounds suspiciously similar to John Williams' Harry Potter scores),
  9. the Munchkin Welcome Song removed,
  10. the deleted carriage scene that was in the trailer added back into the movie,
  11. the hot-air balloon death fake-out scene and all references to it removed,
  12. a mentioning of who came up with the prophecy and that the prophet was killed by Evanora's winged baboons, and
  13. Theodora becoming the Wicked Witch of the West not because she's Woman Scorned, but because she's pretending to be good and love Oscar and wants as much power as, if not more than, Evanora, so both of them can vanquish Oscar and Glinda to prevent the prophecy from fulfilling
I would like the fanedit to be in 3D and 2D versions, both in 1080p HD.

Any other edit suggestions you can think of to make this work?

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  Phenomena US LD
Posted by: zoidberg - 2022-04-08, 09:13 PM - Forum: Requests, proposals, help - Replies (5)

I recently got hold of the Roan Group's LD of Phenomena, it's the International Cut with 'Chace' surround. As far as I can tell it was released roughly at the same time as the Anchor Bay non-anamorphic DVD, does anyone here know if the master was the same for both releases? The LD has nice colours particularly in the night scenes but the most striking difference is in the sleepwalking 'vision' shots, they are very overexposed on the LD, including an extra shot of the 'window' victim during Jennifer's first sleepwalk which looks completely normal on the blu rays.

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  Heat Theatrical Version
Posted by: alleycat - 2022-04-08, 05:20 PM - Forum: Released - Replies (28)

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Ok just to get this out of the way, this is a restoration of the original version of Heat prior to the changes that Michael Mann made to the video and audio when it was released on Blu Ray. It is not in any way representative of how it looks on 35mm - it was never intended to be. It's graded to the DVD, not everyone will be happy about that but it is what it is and I'm happy with it.

The starting point for this project was the Japanese Blu Ray, which is not cropped like some of the later releases and is AVC encoded. The blu ray footage was decoded in Avisynth, with some edge enhancement reduction, then edited where necessary so that it matched the laserdisc frame for frame. The missing scene was sourced from the DVD. The entire movie was then color matched to the DVD release using DrDre. I used around 700 different LUTs to do the grading and black levels were corrected where necessary. The whole thing took around 6 months. The footage was then upscaled to 4K in Topaz and taken back down to 1080P, then regrained in Phoenix. 

Thank you to @williarob and @zoidberg for capturing the laserdisc. Thank you to @Evit for the Italian audio tracks.

  • BD50 with animated menus, background video, pop up menus and resume function
  • 1080P AVC Video
  • English 2.0 Laserdisc PCM
  • English 5.1 Laserdisc AC3 (dialnorm not removed)
  • English 5.1 DVD AC3
  • French 5.1 DVD AC3
  • German 5.1 DVD AC3
  • Italian 5.1 DVD DTS
  • Italian 5.1 DVD AC3
  • Audio Commentary by Director Michael Mann
  • Three Part The Making of Heat
  • Pacino and De Niro: The Conversation featurette
  • Return to the Scene of the Crime featurette
  • Deleted Scenes
  • 3 x Theatrical Trailers
  • 2016 Panel: Academy of Motion Pictures Arts and Sciences
  • 2015 Panel: Toronto International Film Festival

PM me for the links, contributing/long term members only please. Contributing means active members of the forum who post and/or make their own projects.

High Resolution cover and disc art available from @Pineapples101 Here.

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Just to clarify this is a project that I have made for myself which I am choosing to share. If you don't like the project, if you think it should have been done differently then feel free to keep that to yourself and consider doing your own project.

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  Hello
Posted by: DTchaos - 2022-04-08, 03:50 PM - Forum: Presentation - Replies (1)

Been around the OT forums for awhile now, really like what you guys have done here!

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  The Saint 1997 un cut
Posted by: maksnew - 2022-04-08, 10:34 AM - Forum: Requests, proposals, help - Replies (9)

Unfortunately, the full version of the film was not released on BD, it was still available on VHS, videocd and possibly on DVD, but I'm not sure.

I don't know either, but maybe they showed the full version on HDTV in Europe and it would be nice to get one if it exists.
If anyone has information on this film, I would like to hear your opinion Big Grin

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  Darby O'Gill and the Little People
Posted by: Doctor M - 2022-04-07, 10:53 PM - Forum: Official and unofficial releases - Replies (11)

This is regarding Disney' recent Darby O'Gill release.

First, the Blu-ray has 96kbps 1-channel Dolby Digital audio.

Second, they cropped the image from the original aspect ratio. I don't know why, the DVD was 4x3 and advertised as OAR.
Finally, the color timing. So so awful. Screenshots are BD vs DVD.

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I found there is an old Amazon rip from several years ago that seems to be frame for frame identically timed with the BD (I need to check though), but the web-dl is full frame with the original colors found on the DVD and higher bitrate audio.

I'm always hesitant to take on color adjusting projects since I have color blindness and could very likely make things worse, but am I wrong about this?

Is it really possible Disney took their old streaming master, cropped it, gave it to a kid with no experience to color-time it to like an Underworld film?

I really can't decide if fixing an overcropped release is worth it for the slightly better detail... unless we add the streaming video above and below...

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  Pearl Harbor Director's Cut
Posted by: alleycat - 2022-04-05, 09:21 PM - Forum: Released - Replies (14)

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This is another Director's Cut that hasn't seen an official release on Blu Ray. This project was created by taking the 1080P Director's Cut Webrip and combining it with the official Blu Ray theatrical cut footage. The Webrip was only used for the additional/alternate footage. Overall there are 54 differences and it amounts to around a minute longer. Everything here is native 1080P, there is no SD upscaled footage. The Blu Ray footage was also dehalo'd a little in Avisynth.

Due to the size of the project I decided to split this one over two BD25s, one with the main movie and one with the extra features.

  • 2 x BD25 with animated menus, background video, pop up menus and resume function
  • 1080P AVC Video
  • English 5.1 DVD AC3
  • English 5.1 DVD DTS
  • French 5.1 DVD AC3
  • Audio Commentary by Director Michael Bay and Film Historian Jeanine Basinger
  • Audio Commentary by Producer Jerry Bruckheimer and Actors Ben Affleck, Alec Baldwin and Josh Hartnett
  • Audio Commentary by Cinematographer John Schwartzman, Production Designer Nigel Phelps, Costume Designer Michael Kaplan, Supervising Art Director Martin Laing and Composer Hans Zimmer
  • English SDH Subtitles
  • There You'll Be" Music Video by Faith Hill
  • National Geographic Beyond the Movie: Pearl Harbor Preview
  • Journey to the Screen: The Making of Pearl Harbor 2001 documentary
  • Production Diary - 10 behind the scenes clips with Optional Commentary by Michael Bay
  • Soldiers Boot Camp (with Josh Hartnett, Ben Affleck, and Ewen Bremner)
  • Officers Boot Camp (with Alec Baldwin)
  • Super 8 Montage
  • Theatrical Teaser
  • Theatrical Trailer
  • One Hour Over Tokyo 2001 documentary
  • Unsung Heroes of Pearl Harbor 2001 documentary
  • Oral History: The Recollections of a Pearl Harbor Nurse 2001 featurette
  • Interactive Attack Sequence - 4 Angle Options and 7 Audio Options - can be changed using red/green remote buttons during playback
  • Deconstucting Destruction: A Conversation on Visual Effects with Michael Bay and Eric Brevig
  • Animatic Attack
  • When Cultures Collide
  • Image Gallery

PM me for the links, contributing/long term members only please. Contributing means active members of the forum who post and/or make their own projects.

High Resolution cover and disc art available from @Pineapples101 Here.

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  Greetings
Posted by: Ray Faiola - 2022-03-31, 08:59 PM - Forum: Presentation - Replies (5)

Ray Faiola here from Chelsea Rialto Studios in Ellenville, NY.

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  Silver Retention Prints
Posted by: zoidberg - 2022-03-29, 05:32 PM - Forum: General technical discussions - Replies (19)

It's been a while since this has been discussed but I thought I'd start a new thread regarding the various types of silver retention processes for colour positive projection prints, obviously the most well known are the Technicolor ENR and Deluxe's CCE/ACE.

As I understand it ENR/ACE had adjustable levels of silver retention whereas CCE was a fixed process. In any case the prinicipal photography had to be such to accommodate the extra contrast, shadow level and colour shifts which the process created (ie flashing the negative, production/costume design etc), simply putting a conventionally-shot negative through a silver retention process would wreak havoc on shadows/skin tones etc. Basically the silver grains which acts as the precursor to the colour dye cloud forming remain in various levels according to density. This has the effect of blocking light, reducing saturation and adding extra edge definition due to the metallic silver having cleaner edges than dye clouds. 

I guess the most famous features which got silver release prints would be Se7en, Saving Private Ryan, Alien: Resurrection, Sleepy Hollow, Fight Club; I'm sure there are many more but those are the ones that spring to mind. In most cases the majority of prints were standard colour prints which attempted to approximate the look, very few true silver prints were struck due to the costs involved. There are of course features which used skip bleach/bypass on the o-neg which is it's own thing that introduces different characteristics, Minority Report being such an example but I believe there were ENR prints made for that film too. 

Has anyone here been fortunate enough to see a true silver retention print out in the wild? I believe a privately-owned CCE print of Se7en gets shown occasionally around the world and by all accounts it is DARK to the point that the frame literally disappears into the masking. 

It seems mad to me that digital hasn't really been able to emulate the look yet, but then again digital promised more than it could deliver in general. It's worth remembering that unless a display is capable of something approaching close to true black then no matter how good the source is the result won't be as effective, if anything it will look worse than not as the milky blacks will overpower the image. I guess the films crying out the most for a regrade would be Alien: Resurrection and Se7en, I know there's a custom of Se7en out there but that is a regrade to the Criterion master which was based off a low-con print. I think the A:R LD being taken from a silver print was debunked long ago.

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