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  home 7.1 releases - general discussion
Posted by: spoRv - 2021-10-10, 05:44 PM - Forum: General technical discussions - Replies (7)

To whom it does not know: the home 7.1 channel movie releases include Blu-ray and UltraHD Blu-ray as physical media, and web streaming and download; there were no DVD, LD or other media AFAIK; albeit on theaters there were two 7.1 formats - SDDS with left, left extra, center, right extra, right, surround left, surround right, LFE, and Dolby Surround 7.1 with left, center, right, surround left, surround right, surround back left, surround back right, LFE - only the latter channel configuration is used at home. Not sure about DTS 7.1 and if any movie release in DCP used the SDDS speaker configuration. From now on, 7.1 = Dolby configuration - three screen channels, four surround channels, plus LFE.

OK, back on track: if a title had not a 7.1 (or immersive sound) theatrical release, the home version with 7.1 is not faithful to the theatrical mix, hence the extra back surround channels were created using the left and right surround (and back center when available on 6.1 releases).

According to Blu-ray stats - http://www.blu-raystats.com/Stats/Stats.php (yes, I know it's not updated, but I have found only this for now) there were (up to around March 2018) 839 releases with 7.1 channels, or 6.61%; only 0.46% with 6.1, around 70% with 5.1 and 5.0, 12% stereo and 6% mono; until now more 7.1 releases came - as well as with other audio tracks, in particular Dolby Atmos and DTS:X, so I guess the percentage would be not noticeably different.

I made my homework, and according to some sources, there are around 800 titles on BD/UHD-BD with 7.1 track - remember, that 839 was referred to releases, with multiple ones referring to a single title.

Less than 250 of them were released in theaters with immersive sound (Dolby Atmos, DTS:X or Auro3D) and around 50 exclusively on Dolby Surround 7.1; then, about 500 titles have "created" back surround!!!

Of these 500:

  • a dozen or so had 6.1 theatrical release
  • at least 200 were released prior 2010, when Dolby Surround 7.1 came out
  • the others may have used DCP 7.1 theatrical mix

So, we are left with AT LEAST more than 200 titles out of 800 - a whopping 25% - with created back surround; this would reduce the overall percentage to around 5%.

I'm sure that also a lot of 5.1 releases are not true to the theatrical versions too, still the percentage is overwhelming - 7.1 are less than 1/10th of 5.1

Conclusion: there is no rush to get a 7.1 sound system if you already have a good 5.1! Big Grin

Further info:
Posted by Audyssey Labs in June 2012 (https://audyssey.zendesk.com/hc/en-us/ar...l-sources-):
Quote:There are almost no instances of 7.1 content that is produced that way for the movie.  The so-called 7.1 Blurays take the original 5.1 movie mix and use a matrix method to generate the additional Back Surround channels.

Posted by F. Hudson Miller in March 2013 - http://www.film-tech.com/cgi-bin/ubb/f16...28/p1.html:
Quote:We may on occasion generate a 7.1 if the film has only been mastered in 5.1 (that usually just some minor re-channeling)

and just two treats to end:
Quote:Smith employed DTS Neural Upmix software to remix "The Rocky Horror Picture Show" from 5.1 and other elements to 7.1 for BD release this year

Quote:Steven Spielberg's 1975 hit will come home in "digitally remastered and fully restored" form with an upmixed 7.1 DTS-HD MA soundtrack

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  Golgo 13: The Professional (1983) Music & Effects track (synced to 2012 R1 DVD)
Posted by: Scavenger - 2021-10-10, 04:03 PM - Forum: Released - No Replies

Format: FLAC 1.0ch 16-bit (Synced to Discotek Media 2012 R1 DVD)
Source: [fong] R2JDVDrip AC3 5.1ch 384 kbps (from Pioneer 2001 Premium Box)

The 5.1ch track is the original mono in Center + mono M&E spread over L-R-LFE-SL-SR. I just simply downmixed the M&E to 1 channel.

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Photo Babylon 5, VAR
Posted by: CaveDoctor - 2021-10-10, 01:40 AM - Forum: Movies, TV shows and other - Replies (8)

Alright, so I'm curious about combining the recent remaster of Babylon 5 with an upscaled DVD.
I've seen both and did a little test.
https://ibb.co/LzzJ9qG
I wanted to see exactly what the two would look like together, and did a very crude stack of two screenshots.
One is an upscale of the DVDs, the other is from a rip of the remaster.
I'd need to color time both, and add grain.
I know Topaz can denoise them, and I tried to tint the screenshots to match, with no luck.
They also seem to be at different exposures, which is good.
But I'm also curious, how well can I hide the border between the 4:3 image, and the 16:9 image, If I wanted this to be palatable in 16:9.
Also, what frame stacking tools are available?

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  Drácula (Spanish version) (1931) - English PGS subtitles
Posted by: NeonBible - 2021-10-09, 08:18 PM - Forum: Requests, proposals, help - Replies (1)

The English subtitles on my UK set are SDH/HoH only. Does anyone have the subs from the US disc in PGS format and could kindly share it?

Apologies for not being an audio request.

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  Judgment Night (1993) English DTS 5.1, French and Spanish DD Audio from 2004 DVD
Posted by: dwalkerdon - 2021-10-09, 06:15 PM - Forum: Released - No Replies

here is the link for the DTS 5.1 Mix (1993):  https://www.mediafire.com/file/4i16tq8t7...D.dts/file

there is the link for the Spanish audio: https://www.mediafire.com/file/572rna4vn...D.ac3/file

Here is the link for the French Audio: https://www.mediafire.com/file/phhd38k63...D.ac3/file

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  Judgment Night (1993) Dolby Surround 2.0 AC3 Mix from 1998 Goodtimes DVD
Posted by: dwalkerdon - 2021-10-09, 11:46 AM - Forum: Released - No Replies

Here is the Dolby Surround mix of the 1993 Movie Judgment Night in 192kbps AC3. https://www.mediafire.com/file/m4fwm51it...x.ac3/file

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  the unofficially available online uncut episode of Alf try to remember
Posted by: jedimasterplo - 2021-10-08, 06:30 PM - Forum: Movies, TV shows and other - Replies (5)

Is the unofficially available online uncut episode of Alf try to remember able to be remastered to look close to this? https://www.instagram.com/p/CUWujTBsGft/?hl=en

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  Regrades - Home Alone, Christmas Vacation, The Insider + Others
Posted by: marktornits - 2021-10-06, 10:51 PM - Forum: Requests, proposals, help - Replies (7)

Hi~

I'm a lurker who is constantly appreciative of people who take restorations and remasters into their own hands.

I think Fellowship of the Ring was the movie that really set me on a path to be disgusted by the teal and orange game that Hollywood plays with remasters and the lies that they spew about why they blanketly add those colors to older movies.

I have regraded some of my favorite movies that have received awful treatment from studios.

Here is my list.

-Home Alone
The remaster looks so drab- Even the UHD didn't look as good as it should. Using a SDR 4K master, I went through and evened the colors out a bit and removed the tint that was put on it, I did it last year so I can't quite remember what direction the tint pushed to but I would so screen caps if there were interest for me to post somewhere.

-Christmas Vacation
Similar situation to Home Alone- just fixed the tint bias and reset the white level.

-Mrs Doubtfire
This was another awful remaster- The poster for this movie is so bright and vibrant and the remaster drained the life and color from the movie - I aimed to add it back.

-The Insider
Michael Mann is notorious for destroying his films via remasters- Heat is unwatchable with its current Mann approved version and The Insider isn't far off - I find the regrade that I did to be way more watchable.

-Millions
This currently isn't available on Blu-ray- Totally overlooked Danny Boyle Movie- I think I merged the Amazon download version with an HDTV version- From what I remember the Amazon download had a Starz bug that popped periodically, I used the HDTV version to remove that through the movie. I also added the Danny Boyle Commentary

-I Heart Huckabees
There is only a WEB-DL version of this available and it looks terrible and desaturated - I popped the color back in and it looks away better.

There may be a couple more that I am not thinking about right now.


So questions:

Any interest in me posting these?

What program do I need to make screen caps or the before and after?

How can I get invited to a platform where I can upload them?

Thank you-

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  Necronomicon (1993) R2J DVD synced to Blu-ray
Posted by: NeonBible - 2021-10-06, 10:01 PM - Forum: Released - No Replies

Movie: Necronomicon (1993)
Format: R2J Pioneer DVD (Japan)
Input soundtrack: AC3 2.0 16-bit 48khz
Output soundtrack FLAC 2.0 16-bit 48khz
Synced to: Wicked Vision Blu-ray

Japanese Pioneer DVD synced to German Wicked Vision Blu-ray. Probably syncs to the French BD too since they appear to be exactly the same length (caps-a-holic shows better detail/video compression on the FR though).

This had a Dolby Stereo mix on it's theatrical release. Every other DVD and BD has 5.1 only.

Although what's more disturbing, is on the Wicked Vision Blu-ray the dialogue and foleys are in the correct pitch but the music is not. Pitched down slightly to my ears. I noticed this while syncing the stereo track. I managed to get hold of the score and the Pioneer DVD is at the correct pitch.

The Pioneer DVD is probably a port of one of the JP LaserDiscs. If anyone has that or any of the other LDs, would be much better since they have PCM tracks.

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  Working concept syncing different audio sources
Posted by: SIUse - 2021-10-05, 03:27 PM - Forum: Audio and video editing - Replies (20)

Hello there,
as i try to get familiar with audio syncing, i´ve come across several questions regarding how to start (as i´m sure there are different approaches) and seek help. So that i´m not getting used to a workflow which is fundamentally wrong.
The software i want to use is mostly freeware (audacity, eac3to; mkvtoolnx for merging video and audio but should there be a better way - as i´m sure there can be - i´m open to that)

I want to use a LPCM 2.0 track from my "La Haine" bluray and use it for the the UHD release of the movie (although it has a 2.0 DTS HD-MA track which seems to be the same audio - despite studio intro - just by looking at the two tracks in audacity, nevermind).
The UHD release is at 24 fps and my audio track comes from the bluray which is 23.976 fps. Both are 48 kHz

Now to my questions about syncing audio in general to understand the working concept (also for other projects):
1. Loading the audio track i want to use (from a older source or Laserdisc), one track from the new source into audacity and cut/add silence to the beginning of the old track to match the new track is the right way or do i have to do something different?

2. After editing a track, using eac3to to match it to the video source (if different fps) is also right?

3. Something i´ve come across while try to match different tracks in audacity: Even if the tracks have millisecond/sample-wise the same length, i hear a "hall/echo" effect while playing them simultaniously. Which means there not perfectly in sync?


BTW: Does anyone know (and have it) if the laserdisc audio from La Haine is the same audio track that´s found on the new UHD, just mastered to 2.0 DTS HD-MA?

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