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| rating audio tracks quality |  
| Posted by: spoRv  - 2017-02-13, 02:33 AM - Forum: General technical discussions 
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				Let's talk about audio tracks found on common released media, so leave out AAC, MP3, FLAC and others; MPEG multichannel, even if it could be found on DVD, it is really uncommon (I think maybe I have one title with this codec).
 So, given the fact the audio mix is the same, as the number of channels and bits used, I think this could be the chart of most common multichannel audio tracks, from best to worst quality:
 
 
 (DTS found on laserdisc should be equiparable to the full rate found on DVD/BD, apart the sampling frequency)PCM/DTS-HD MA/Dolby TrueHD (all lossless)
DTS 1509/1536kbps (full rate)
Dolby Digital 640kbps
Dolby Digital 448kbps
Dolby Digital 384kbps
DTS 755/768kbps (half rate)
Dolby Digital 320kbps
 don't know where to place Dolby Digital Plus.
 
 Do you agree?
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| 5 pass average (motion compensated) |  
| Posted by: althor1138  - 2017-02-12, 03:46 PM - Forum: Script snippets 
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				2 scripts here. 1 for 5 pass average. 1 for 3 pass average. I saw no need for two threads about this.
 This should allow for averaging captures from the same source or even different sources that are similar in size and alignment. Mileage might vary
  . I personally use it for making 3 or 5 captures of a laserdisc and averaging it to remove as much noise as possible before moving on to IVTC and DNR. It's up to you to make sure the clips are aligned before feeding them into this function. So make sure to trim beforehand. 
 What you'll need:
 
 avisynth 2.6
 interleave (internal filter)
 MVTOOLS2 (2.6.0.5 or similar)
 temporalsoften (internal filter)
 
 
 Code: Function FivePassAverage(clip pass1,clip pass2,clip pass3, clip pass4, clip pass5){
 interleave=interleave(pass1,pass2,pass3,pass4,pass5)
 super=msuper(interleave,pel=2,mt=true)
 multivectors=manalyse(super,multi=true,delta=2,mt=true)
 multiclip=mcompensate(interleave,super,multivectors,mt=true,tr=2,center=true)
 average=temporalsoften(multiclip,2,255,255,50,2).selectevery(25,12)
 return(average)
 }
 Code: Function ThreePassAverage(clip pass1,clip pass2,clip pass3){
 interleave=interleave(pass1,pass2,pass3)
 super=msuper(interleave,pel=2,mt=true)
 multivectors=manalyse(super,multi=true,delta=1,mt=true)
 multiclip=mcompensate(interleave,super,multivectors,mt=true,tr=1,center=true)
 average=temporalsoften(multiclip,1,255,255,50,2).selectevery(9,4)
 return(average)
 }
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| TSMC (Temporal Soften Motion Compensated)(Denoiser) |  
| Posted by: althor1138  - 2017-02-12, 03:27 PM - Forum: Script snippets 
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				This is perhaps better than LDDENOISE and it's much faster. This is what I use on laserdiscs nowadays as it seems to be better at removing the analog noise of laserdiscs.
 It's quite simple actually and the dependencies are only:
 
 Avisynth 2.6
 Temporal Soften (this is an internal filter)
 MVTOOLS2 (version 2.6.0.5 or higher)
 
 The only things you really need to tinker with are tradius(temporal radius) and mthresh(motion threshold). Everything else I never change but I put them in as options in case you want to change the blocksize, for example. The only thing I ever adjust actually is mthresh.
 
 mthresh=70 will denoise basically only stationary stuff.
 mthresh=120 will denoise slightly moving stuff.
 mthresh=180 will denoise moving stuff but not extremely high motion.
 
 Anything over 180(depending on the source) can start to risk loss of detail that, imo, is unacceptable. However, 70-120 denoises A LOT but still looks good.
 
 These numbers above are based on a few sources that I've tested. Every source is different and requires tweaking. Feeding an already denoised clip via auxclip helps mvtools in 2 ways. It will be more precise when calculating motion vectors and prevents mvtools from thinking that noise is motion. This will allow you to use the same settings more or less. What I mean is that, for example, mthresh=140 will give kind of the same results in different clips. I usually use a motion compensated fft3d denoiser for this as it denoises well even when there is motion without artifacting.
 FFTMC
 
 Here is the function for TSMC. Download the avsi and place it into your plugins folder.
 TSMC
 
 EDIT: I also wanted to add that if anybody has any ideas to make this better feel free to chime in. I'm by no means an avisynth guru and am open to improvement!
 
 A quick how to use avisynth and this denoiser:
 
 1) Go download avisynth 2.6 or avs+ and install it:
 https://github.com/pinterf/AviSynthPlus/releases
 I recommend going with avs+ as it's regularly maintained by Pinterf and has many newer features.
 
 2) Download mvtools2. Navigate to the avisynth folder in Program Files and extract the mvtools2.dll file into the plugins folder inside the avisynth folder.
 https://github.com/pinterf/mvtools/releases
 Again, I recommend Pinterf's version as it is more up to date with more features.
 
 3) Go to the TSMC link above and save TSMC.avsi to your avisynth plugins folder.
 
 4) open notepad and write a script to load the video file and denoise it. Here's an example:
 
 
 Code: Source=avisource("c:\temp\starwars.avi")FFTclip=fftmc(Source,2,1,500,4,2,0)
 TSMC(Source,3,120,255,4,FFTclip)
Save this wherever you want it as starwars.avs or whatever you want to name it. Just make sure you have .avs as the extension.
 
 5) Open Virtualdub. Navigate to your starwars.avs file and open it in virtualdub. It should pop up in virtualdub already denoised via avisynth.
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|  Finding "that" title in your collection |  
| Posted by: spoRv  - 2017-02-10, 02:32 PM - Forum: Everything else... 
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				I don't know if this happens only to me... so I would write here to know if I'm the only one, or there are some other "lucky" ones like me!  
 Example 1: DVD movie; I was sure I had that title... asked to others in the family, someone remembered it, someone told me I was crazy... I searched a lot between the titles scattered around different rooms in the house - they are few hundreds, after all... nothing... searched in unthinkable places... nothing... so I thoght that maybe I was crazy... few days later, I visited my sister, and she came out with "Do you remember I borrowed THAT movie from you some weeks ago? No? Well, maybe I picked it up without asking you..."
  lesson number one: write down every title you lend and borrow, and ask friends and relatives to inform you about them... 
 Example 2: LD movie: after the last quest, I thought "may be this title at someone's else house? not a laserdisc, for sure!" and "are you sure you have REALLY this title? yes, according to the list I made that is 100% accurate", and also "why don't you put them in SOME order? because I'm lazy and... hey brain, shut up!"
 
 So, I began from the shelf #1, trying to find it just reading the titles of the movies on the spine with the right colors... many shelves after, nothing... maybe the spine color wasn't right... restart, fast reading... an hour later, nothing... OK, probably I missed it, time to read the title one by one, not so fast... well, I found it... at the end... it was near the 3000 point out of 3200... lucky as usual!
  lesson number two: put your movies in "some" order; possibly, write a list in a spreadsheet that points each title to a shelf position - it will be easier to spot it between fifty ones instead thousands! |  
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| Partially Field Blended NTSC DVD info |  
| Posted by: Booshman  - 2017-02-09, 12:45 PM - Forum: Capture and rip 
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				I inverse telecined some DVD's and I have come across some field blended footage. I'm curious if anyone could tell me why some footage would contain blended fields when the th rest is fine?
 To give an example. I IVTC'd a disc with six episodes of a cartoon. There was one episode with the intro full of blended fields. The same episode had just a few frames that were blended in one scene. Another episode has several minutes of blended fields in chunks thoughout.
 
 How would this happen duing the mastering of the disc? Has anyone run into this issue before?
 
 I'm going to try and get the PAL version of the disc to see if the same issue is present, but it's a bit frustrating to have to go to the extra effort.
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| [idea] "gritty" version |  
| Posted by: spoRv  - 2017-02-08, 08:43 PM - Forum: Requests, proposals, help 
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				These days I'm toying with Alien 3 and Alien Resurrection; today, in particular, I rewatched the Alien 3 trailer present in the PAL UK LD, that I think it's a rough 35mm scan... ok, it's (heavily) cropped, so only a bit more than half image is present: still, it's very nice, cinematic.. "gritty" in a way...
 So, I thought to imitate that look; using the BD as base, I regraded it using the LD as color reference (and contrast, too); then, I tweaked a lot contrast, increased a bit the saturation, and added a coarse grain plate; at the end - apart colors, which I didn't even attempted to touch - result is pretty similar, and quite interesting; colors "pop" up better, and the image is more alive; the price to pay are crushed blacks and clipped whites - most noticeable in very dark shots, and where there are very bright objects or during light flashes.
 
 ALIEN 3 - top BD untouched, bottom "gritty" version:
 
 ![[Image: A3_BD_Vs_gritty.jpg]](https://s23.postimg.cc/i7y60miuz/A3_BD_Vs_gritty.jpg) 
 ALIEN RESURRECTION - top BD untouched, bottom "gritty" version:
 
 ![[Image: A4_BD_Vs_gritty.jpg]](https://s23.postimg.cc/e03drvhff/A4_BD_Vs_gritty.jpg) 
 and three direct high def comparisons
 BD Vs BD regraded: http://screenshotcomparison.com/comparison/199970
 BD Vs "gritty": http://screenshotcomparison.com/comparison/199971
 BD regraded Vs "gritty": http://screenshotcomparison.com/comparison/199972
 
 Opinions on the whole "gritty" idea? Stupid, futile, unortodox may come to mind... any other?
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| Event Horizon BD fix |  
| Posted by: spoRv  - 2017-02-06, 09:18 PM - Forum: In progress 
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				It should be a well known problem, but, to whom is not aware of this, Event Horizon on Blu-ray is stretched vertically - or, rather, squeezed horizontally, I could correct, as it has more image on the sides, in comparison to the old DVD and the LD (SE DVD has the same problem, though). Leaving the height unaltered, obviously the aspect ratio is wrong...
 Provisional plan:
 The most comprehesive comparison up to date:de-stretch the video, diminishing the height and taking the aspect ratio from 2.35:1 to the best value - that, according to someone, should be around 2.42:1, if not higher
regrade it using the old color grading found on LD or first DVD edition as color reference, to get a more colorful version, and, probably, one nearest theatrical version, and get rid of the pink tint problem
add eventually a grain plate when needed
add the DTS Cinema track
add the PCM track from lasedisc, as it seems more punchy and less dry, according to widescreenreview
 https://diff.pics/tdBWbjLk40mg/1
 https://diff.pics/5yKLGVrUDzA0/1
 thanks to markymark!
 
 Blu-ray screenshots: http://www.blu-ray.com/movies/Event-Hori...creenshots
 Old DVD screenshots: https://edgeofthefringe.wordpress.com/tag/event-horizon
 
 There is also a useful DVD review which compares four different editions from several regions, that used two different color gradings, but I can't retrieve it... EDIT: here you are: http://sd.caps-a-holic.com/vergleich.php...eichID=121 - thanks to MrBrown!
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| The "pink tint" problem |  
| Posted by: spoRv  - 2017-02-06, 08:59 PM - Forum: Official and unofficial releases 
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				Lately me and PDB talked about the "pink tint" problem (provisional name, until someone would bring up a better one!); so, without further ado, let's talk about
 THE "PINK TINT" PROBLEM
 
 
 What is it?
 It was noted that some releases, often from 1990s and 2000s, present a pink blanket that was not obviously present in the theatrical version.
 
 Why does it happen?
 It is still not clear if it was a problem arised during the telecine tranfer, a byproduct of color regrading process, due maybe to get natural skin tones always, even when it's not the case, or something else... who knows? Do you know it? Please post a comment!
 
 Which titles are affected?
 At the present, it seems any title could be affected.
 
 How can I find if a title is affected?
 Sometimes is so clear you have not to look for, you will be able to say that a given title has the pink tint problem few minutes after you start to watch it... but it's not always the case; as our brain is a great tool, we adapt what we watch to "balance" the wrong colors, and we interpret them as right... that's why, often, you have watched a pink tint prolematic title without knowing it (me included!).
 
 The most easy way to find it out is a direct comparison between different editions; in this case, usually it's quite easy to find it out. But it's always possible to desume it even without a direct comparison; just look for some clues:
 Usually the problem is extended to the whole movie, but sometimes is confined only in selected shots, scenes, or film rolls.bright lights: flashes, explosions, fire, flames, spaceship engines; if not directly pink, you can spot it in the halos
bright objects: white walls, that's the best choice... but also water, that, instead of blue, cyan, green, it could have a magenta, violet color; sky as well, could be violet instead blue
too natural skin tones: even when they should not have natural color (the one you can get in a bright sunny day), in the pink tint titles often they have it... or, at least, they seems more natural than what it should be... a face under a blue light should have a colder tone, why a face in front of a torch should have a warmer one; instead, in a pink tinted title often they look natural under both circumstances
 
 How can I get rid of it?
 You can always get another edition - if it exists, or make a color correction to remove or reduce it; probably there is also a good method to fix it "on the fly" using your display/player saturation/tint/brightness/contrast/gamma/color levels settings.
 
 Can you list some titles?
 The following is a short list just to get an idea of what a pink tint problem could appear; few notable titles could be added in the future, if someone would like to note them in the comments.
 
 Star Wars trilogy GOUT DVD/HDTV
 Star Wars trilogy 2004 DVD/HDTV (less severe than GOUT)
 Star Wars trilogy preque DVD/HDTV(low)
 Star Wars trilogy 1997 G'Kar and TB DVB (higher in Mos Eisley)
 Alien 3 DVD/BD box sets (low)
 Alien Resurrection DVD/BD box sets (mild)
 Event Horizon BD/DVD SE (mild)
 
 waiting for your feedbacks!
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