I read in that dilm forum I can't remember the name that usually DCP files are usually around 50/60GB; so, file size could be a reason, along with the fact most DCP projectors are 2K.

(2018-05-11, 10:16 AM)spoRv Wrote: I read in that dilm forum I can't remember the name that usually DCP files are usually around 50/60GB; so, file size could be a reason, along with the fact most DCP projectors are 2K.

That sounds *way* too small. The publicly available DCPs like Apocalypse Now are around 200-300 GB, which is more in line with the bitrates that I quoted. 50/60GB would imply bitrates of around 40-50 MBps. That may look okay with h264, but I doubt you'd get a good image with Motion JPEG or any intraframe codec, which is what I believe they use for reasons of stability/robustness.

DCPs are encoded with JPEG2000 in order to be DCI compliant. The total max. bitrate (including audio) is 250Mbits/s, apparently this includes 2K, 4K, 3D and HFR! You learn something every day. As I understand it the industrial encoders are more efficient than the free software such as DCP-O-Matic, and obviously the bitrate will vary with the type of content.
JPEG2000 is a very efficient codec and DCPs always benefit from being entirely discrete frames (ie all I-frames). Grain generally seems more natural (but not as natural as film   )

There are also resources online that will tell theater owners about the stats (size, audio, etc) on the DCPs they receive, like Deluxe's portal:

https://cinema.dcinema.com/default.aspx?ReturnUrl=%2f

I've uploaded the open-matte laserdisc cap, it contains the bit-perfect PCM soundtrack (MKV, 3.96GB). PM for the link

(2018-05-11, 11:20 PM)zoidberg Wrote: I've uploaded the open-matte laserdisc cap, it contains the bit-perfect PCM soundtrack (MKV, 3.96GB). PM for the link

OK, after seeing how it looks, I would not take it as a color reference: it's too cool, lacks the cyan and orange. I'd say, in order to regrade the Criterion remaster to the color of a 35mm print, one should take the Criterion DVD and the French VHS as references. Something in the ballpark of these two would make the most accurate color timing for The Silence of the Lambs.

So, from a quick look at the Deleted Scenes of the Criterion Blu Ray, they are a disappointment. At least 5 minutes are some pointless (fake) TV show. Then a lot of the interesting scenes are not really HD, but essentially a glorified VHS Workprint digitization. The ones that are HD look okay, but partially seem to have some aliasing problems that look a bit like interlacing problems. Some of them seem to have a lot of dropped frames. Now, I was watching with MPC-HC, which I think auto-deinterlaces, so it's possible some of the problems were due to that. Still, not impressed by the whole thing. They teased/sold them as 1080p/i and many are not even close to that.

Well, the deleted scenes were never meant to be remastered, it's actually impressive that they look as well as they do.
Almost all the scenes with Lecter are golden, especially the one take when he describes Buffalo Bill's persona, and the outtake when he imitates Silvester Stallone is pretty amusing too.

The fake TV show is not pointless in itself, it was the evangelist that Lecter was being forced to watch full volume as punishment, they actually filmed an entire sermon, and the actor was so good they applauded at the end.

Fair, but I think they probably had that material on film somewhere, so they could have scanned the rest too. Imo it's false advertising to call those VHS upscales 1080p.

Didn't catch that reference with the evangelist, thanks for the info!

(2018-05-13, 07:55 PM)Beber Wrote: I'd say, in order to regrade the Criterion remaster to the color of a 35mm print, one should take the Criterion DVD and the French VHS as references. Something in the ballpark of these two would make the most accurate color timing for The Silence of the Lambs.

I'm trying it in DaVinci Resolve. That's not an easy job...