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(2022-02-08, 04:57 PM)PDB Wrote: (2022-02-08, 12:04 PM)MrBrown Wrote: If you ever need some other DVDs of that movie for any future project. Give me a shot, I have some different DVD releases of that movie in my collection. Maybe there is something interesting for your future project(s) on my shelf.
Appreciate it MrBrown. You know I will ask  I would love to get every Canto mono soundtrack I can to compare them at some point.
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Sadly not many releases got a mono cantonese.
I have following releases of the Movie, specs taken from DVD Profiler:
German (e-m-s):
German DD 5.1
Cantonese DD5.1
German DTS 5.1
German (Laser Paradise):
German DD 5.1
German DTS 5.1
German DD 2.0
French (HK Video):
Cantonese DD 5.1
Cantones DD 1.0
French DD 5.1
French DD 1.0
Japanese BD (Paramount):
Cantonese DD 5.1
Cantones DTS 5.1
Japanese DD 1.0
Taiwanese - Taiwan Cut:
Mandarin DD 2.0 Stereo
UK (Tartan Video):
English DD 5.1
UK (Tartan Video) Collector's Edition:
Cantonese DTS 5.1
Cantonese DD 5.1
Cantonese DD 1.0
English DD 5.1
English DD 1.0
US (Criterion):
Cantonese DD 1.0
English DD 1.0
Commentary DD 1.0
US (Weinstein - Dragon Dynasty):
Cantonese DTS 5.1
Cantonese DD 5.1
Cantonese DD 1.0
English DD 5.1
Commentary DD 2.0
US BD (Weinstein - Dragon Dynasty):
Cantonese DD 5.1
Cantonese DTS-MA 5.1
Cantonese DD 1.0
Commentary DD 2.0
US PS3 Bonus feature from the limited Stranglehold Release.
Audio: No clue 
I might have some more different DVDs that are not in the DVd PRofiler Database. But I think thats the core of releases I've got.
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That's damn impressive. I take it you like Hard Boiled a lot
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(2022-02-08, 06:58 PM)PDB Wrote: That's damn impressive. I take it you like Hard Boiled a lot
Not as much I like other movies in my collection . But, for sure, it's one of my all time favourites. It's just great art of work.
One of the classic John Woo movies that aged just so well.
Also one of those movies that somehow never got an overall satisfying official release.
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(2022-02-08, 10:29 AM)Serums Wrote: This looks pretty good PDB. Not usually a fan of upscales, but those colours do look quite good!
(2022-02-08, 10:25 AM)CSchmidlapp Wrote: Wow, looks amazing.
This release is certainly the closest to the 35mm print I saw.
Which as far as I know was a Tartan (the original distributor in the U.K) U.K release print from back in the day.
I'll dig through my stuff for my custom subs.
They're based on the Tartan video re-release, with a fresh translation.
I believe the criterion are just dub titles!
Although I might be wrong, a few years have passed since I sucked up all the information.
But there was a reason I used the Tartan DVD. I think I have your custom subs as they were when msp used them for his custom (which ultimately became the HKR blu-ray), but I think you said that he edited them a bit to Americanise the English?
That's right bud!
He considered them to British lol.
I do understand, as it was a U.K translation.
If you have them to hand, could you send them to PDB for me?
I'll have them backed up in some state somewhere, but my main hard drive with the Woo projects on them died!
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(2022-02-08, 06:41 PM)MrBrown Wrote: (2022-02-08, 04:57 PM)PDB Wrote: (2022-02-08, 12:04 PM)MrBrown Wrote: If you ever need some other DVDs of that movie for any future project. Give me a shot, I have some different DVD releases of that movie in my collection. Maybe there is something interesting for your future project(s) on my shelf.
Appreciate it MrBrown. You know I will ask I would love to get every Canto mono soundtrack I can to compare them at some point.
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Sadly not many releases got a mono cantonese.
I have following releases of the Movie, specs taken from DVD Profiler:
German (e-m-s):
German DD 5.1
Cantonese DD5.1
German DTS 5.1
German (Laser Paradise):
German DD 5.1
German DTS 5.1
German DD 2.0
French (HK Video):
Cantonese DD 5.1
Cantones DD 1.0
French DD 5.1
French DD 1.0
Japanese BD (Paramount):
Cantonese DD 5.1
Cantones DTS 5.1
Japanese DD 1.0
Taiwanese - Taiwan Cut:
Mandarin DD 2.0 Stereo
UK (Tartan Video):
English DD 5.1
UK (Tartan Video) Collector's Edition:
Cantonese DTS 5.1
Cantonese DD 5.1
Cantonese DD 1.0
English DD 5.1
English DD 1.0
US (Criterion):
Cantonese DD 1.0
English DD 1.0
Commentary DD 1.0
US (Weinstein - Dragon Dynasty):
Cantonese DTS 5.1
Cantonese DD 5.1
Cantonese DD 1.0
English DD 5.1
Commentary DD 2.0
US BD (Weinstein - Dragon Dynasty):
Cantonese DD 5.1
Cantonese DTS-MA 5.1
Cantonese DD 1.0
Commentary DD 2.0
US PS3 Bonus feature from the limited Stranglehold Release.
Audio: No clue
I might have some more different DVDs that are not in the DVd PRofiler Database. But I think thats the core of releases I've got.
Mr Brown was a close ally in my Original Trilogy 'Woo' projects
In your opinion, which one sounds the best to your ears?
I've always found The sound on the Cantonese mono pretty bad!
Switch it to the english dub and it sounds great.
Even the print I saw, the audio just sounded like the theatre had pumped up the bass.
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(2022-02-08, 07:46 PM)CSchmidlapp Wrote: (2022-02-08, 10:29 AM)Serums Wrote: This looks pretty good PDB. Not usually a fan of upscales, but those colours do look quite good!
(2022-02-08, 10:25 AM)CSchmidlapp Wrote: Wow, looks amazing.
This release is certainly the closest to the 35mm print I saw.
Which as far as I know was a Tartan (the original distributor in the U.K) U.K release print from back in the day.
I'll dig through my stuff for my custom subs.
They're based on the Tartan video re-release, with a fresh translation.
I believe the criterion are just dub titles!
Although I might be wrong, a few years have passed since I sucked up all the information.
But there was a reason I used the Tartan DVD. I think I have your custom subs as they were when msp used them for his custom (which ultimately became the HKR blu-ray), but I think you said that he edited them a bit to Americanise the English?
That's right bud!
He considered them to British lol.
I do understand, as it was a U.K translation.
If you have them to hand, could you send them to PDB for me?
I'll have them backed up in some state somewhere, but my main hard drive with the Woo projects on them died! Can do, mate.
PDB, you've got a PM.
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(2022-02-09, 09:34 AM)Serums Wrote: Can do, mate.
PDB, you've got a PM.
Cheers bud.
(2022-02-08, 04:57 PM)PDB Wrote: Well crap. Just checked and they are dubtitles. I must of forgotten about that. I was hoping they were more "original" like The Killer subs having the Dumbo lines and all that. Sadly, I cut the French DVD (at 23.976) down a few frames to get it in sync with the Criterion. So might have to redo the render if there are new subs. Appreciate you looking, CSchmidlapp
I don't think you will have much trouble, as bar the start times, I'm pretty sure the other prints matched up pretty well.
The French DVD was the exception with this and had a few more frames here and there, sometimes in the middle of a scene. The opening Teahouse shoot-out being the worse if I remember correctly.
All this talk is quite nostalgic for me
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(2022-02-09, 09:34 AM)Serums Wrote: Can do, mate.
PDB, you've got a PM.
Appreciate it Serums
(2022-02-09, 10:11 AM)CSchmidlapp Wrote: I don't think you will have much trouble, as bar the start times, I'm pretty sure the other prints matched up pretty well.
The French DVD was the exception with this and had a few more frames here and there, sometimes in the middle of a scene. The opening Teahouse shoot-out being the worse if I remember correctly.
All this talk is quite nostalgic for me
Good to know as I'm not a subs guy. I've only recently been interested in have subs for my projects so my experience is weak and its 100% needed for this since I suspect few of us can speak Cantonese.
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(2022-02-09, 04:22 PM)PDB Wrote: Good to know as I'm not a subs guy. I've only recently been interested in have subs for my projects so my experience is weak and its 100% needed for this since I suspect few of us can speak Cantonese.
I understand the parameters of your project good sir.
Trying to put together the perfect version of this is not what you have set out to do, and as others can attest to in this thread, when it comes to films like this you can really get bogged down in the details.
The multiple masters worldwide supplied by the rights holders have been a headache for fans putting together definitive versions, as they all differ slightly and require much work to make all the assets conform.
Which is not what you are doing here.
I'm pretty sure the subs I worked on match the Criterion timings when you align the start point correctly.
I'm happy to help out syncing if you send me a rough render of your project
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(2022-02-09, 11:48 PM)CSchmidlapp Wrote: I understand the parameters of your project good sir.
Trying to put together the perfect version of this is not what you have set out to do, and as others can attest to in this thread, when it comes to films like this you can really get bogged down in the details.
The multiple masters worldwide supplied by the rights holders have been a headache for fans putting together definitive versions, as they all differ slightly and require much work to make all the assets conform.
Which is not what you are doing here.
I'm pretty sure the subs I worked on match the Criterion timings when you align the start point correctly.
I'm happy to help out syncing if you send me a rough render of your project
I'll upload it for you to see. Would be nice for a second opinion anyway, to see if it is worth even releasing.
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