Batman 1989 4K

[bronan]

Nice find Tom! I couldn't hear much of any difference on my desktop speakers, but that would definitely explain why. I will have to check it out on my main system.

[Chris Knight]

Curious, do you guys know about any "special" audio tracks for Batman? Like score-only or commentaries? The UHD has a director's commentary (not sure if it's a new one or an old one), but was wondering if more tracks like that exist.

No, sadly there is nothing else.

Only this old commentary track by Burton.

I've synced bendermac's capture of the JP laserdisc to the UHD as well. It wasn't too hard, there were just a few frame differences from the US so it was more or less a swap out of the files and re-export.

wow, that's great!


nice work!

Nevertheless I'd argue that this objectively makes the JP LD the superior, more "raw" track that may even theoretically sound better in some subtle subconscious way because EQing/highpassing with most EQs likely introdudes phase distortions, which might also explain why subtracting the tracks results in a track that still appears to have a rather full frequency range - phase distortions would prohibit a proper cancellation of all frequencies. However I have yet to do an A/B side-by-side test to see if there's actually any perceivable difference; I'm guessing there isn't. Still might be the better choice for any projects that aim to edit the audio or upmix it, as it's arguably a more faithful "raw" source. Thoughts?

nice work too!


very interesting analysis!


thanks to you and Bronan, it seems we finally know what's yet the best track for this film...


even if the difference is not audible, it's another mystery solve!

[dbmaster514]

I've synced bendermac's capture of the JP laserdisc to the UHD as well. It wasn't too hard, there were just a few frame differences from the US so it was more or less a swap out of the files and re-export. Here is a comparison of the US and JP discs:

Wow, that's awesome! Great Job!

It looks like you've found the definitive track for this film.

[captainsolo]

Wow thanks for comparing the LD tracks. The US LD is still may favorite but I had always figured the Japanese was the same master as was common practice at the time. The 1997 flipper DVD is the same mix in discrete so I'd argue both are important. Of course you'd have to use the 1.33 side as some idiot cut the Vicki mouth hair out of the letterboxed side. I can provide the flipper DVD audio if necessary.

The SE DVD had the tamed remix that was the first time things sounded different. The DTS there is the same as the Dolby 5.1 lossy just several db louder as are most DTS tracks. I never noticed much difference between the 2005 audio and the True HD and 640kbps DD on the BD disc. You'd have to do comparisons like the above to find and differences.

Which ones do we have collected so far? I have both DVDs on the shelf.

[Chris Knight]

Nice feedback Captain...
It's by reading some of your posts on different boards that i have learned a lot of very interesting stuff on the Batman movies audio tracks...so thanks!
while i'm at it , what do you think for Batman Returns, and Forever audio tracks?
Same as for 1989 Batman (Ld + 1997 dvd?) for better tracks than the bluray ?

So,little updated recap on the Batman 89 audiotracks (yes, i like to make lists..so what? ):

2.0 from the JP LD (the best one)
2.0 from the US LD (2nd best)       
5.1 Dolby digital from 1997 dvd (3rd best,same as the LD,but encode in 5.1 and lossy)
5.1 Dolby digital from 2005 SE dvd (tamed new mix )
5.1 Dts track from 2005 SE dvd (same as the Dts track, but louder)
5.1 Dolby True Hd from 2009 Bluray. (same mix as the SE DVD but lossless)
2.0 from Itunes  (pcm, surely from the same mix as the bluray)

and of course the already famous
Dolby Atmos from 2019 remastered bluray

i think that's all...(minus the vhs of course...)
Then we would need the 70mm and/or 35mm scan audio tracks....but i don't think they exist yet...do they?

I was planning to try to rip the audio from the 1997 dvd, but sadly still nothing in the mail..

[deleted user]

Are you sure about iTunes being PCM? Afaik iTunes is always normal AC-3. Don't recall ever seeing a PCM audio track from iTunes.

[Chris Knight]

euh...good question..
don't know much about itunes files.
The file is read as pcm 2.0, even if it's named "original 5.1 Mix".
i don't have it with me right now,but see page 5 of this thread:
https://fanrestore.com/thread-2692-page-5.html

[dwalkerdon]

Are you sure about iTunes being PCM? Afaik iTunes is always normal AC-3. Don't recall ever seeing a PCM audio track from iTunes.

i think that the source file was either AAC or Dolby Digital Plus, RivalScenes converted it to PCM from the looks of it. if you notice, the spectrogram only goes up to 15khz.

It is the Original mix, just a bit louder.

[deleted user]

Indeed, seems to be a conversion from lossy, with no documentation of how the conversion was done either.

[bendermac]

iTunes Movies

1.0 + 2.0 = AAC
3.0 - 5.1 = Dolby Digital
Atmos mixes = E-AC3