Rambo trilogy original mixes & color timing

[SwatDB]

I managed to get I and II: they did fix the off-center shots I noticed before in II

I believe the black border was used for the sound mix for film prints, etc. (IIRC, the OCN usually retain the offsets [i.e. edges of the frames to be cropped to fill in the soundtrack])

That is where these topics come into play:

Track Scatter (misaligned tracks)
Cutting Aparture Plates (filing down by Head-projectionist)
White Balance

Please back me up, if you have some things I may have missed out on.

[Stamper]

No, the black border, unless I'm mistaken, is always on the left side of the picture. Either the scope image we see is not complete, and they forgot to properly reframe the shots, or it was shot scope with a wider left and right coverage (like The Great Escape) with intent to only use 2.39:1 part of the frame.

[uVSthem]

Does anyone have LD audio captures for First Blood and Rambo III? I am wondering how they compare to the LD 2.0 tracks on the new UHD discs.

[SwatDB]

No, the black border, unless I'm mistaken, is always on the left side of the picture. Either the scope image we see is not complete, and they forgot to properly reframe the shots, or it was shot scope with a wider left and right coverage (like The Great Escape) with intent to only use 2.39:1 part of the frame.

2.35:1 from 1956-1972 for Optical Mixes (though the format survived through Home Video. The Great Escape '63 was intended to be framed at 2.35:1
The 2.39:1 for introduced for "The Molly Maguires" (1970) and because standardized theatrical ratio in 1972.

Did this info help you out?
Regards :-)

[bendermac]

Does anyone have LD audio captures for First Blood and Rambo III? I am wondering how they compare to the LD 2.0 tracks on the new UHD discs.

LD audio is on the UHD 2026 release

[uVSthem]

Does anyone have LD audio captures for First Blood and Rambo III? I am wondering how they compare to the LD 2.0 tracks on the new UHD discs.

LD audio is on the UHD 2026 release

Yes, I understand that, but they are not straight transfers from the LD. They've been altered. The LD track on Rambo III is 24bit for some reason.

[X5gb]

They are also converted to 48 kHz instead of the original captures which are 44.1 kHz. Obviously for compatibility purposes.

[uVSthem]

They are also converted to 48 kHz instead of the original captures which are 44.1 kHz. Obviously for compatibility purposes.

Exactly. I would assume the worst case scenario with using a properly done fanjob capture is that we get a smaller file.

[X5gb]

I have the original captures attached to the 4kult encodes myself somewhere in my collection but am not an expert on the differences so will leave it to one of the audio experts here to chime in once they have had time to check before I go looking for them to add to the new encodes. I do like the new Lionsgate’s picture quality though, appear to have better grain retention, especially on the first two.

[izzybell]

Haven't checked Rambo II or III as I both don't have alternate LD captures for them and don't really care for them. In terms of First Blood however I did find something kind of interesting.

The UHD "Laserdisc PCM" track does seem to be legit however it's not just a simple upsample sync job, some pretty significant amount of filtering has been applied


I have access to three alternate Laserdisc captures/syncs however at this time I have no idea of what discs the first two come from. First one is synced to the 24.000 StudioCanal master and is by far the most detailed and sounds the best to me. I would like to find out what disc this is and do a resync to the new UHD.


Second one is a raw capture but the capture was just labeled "First Blood LD" so no clue. Seems to be mostly the same as the SC synced one but the top end rolled off a bit more and sounds a tiny bit worse, I have had faulty captures with this source before so prehaps it's a faulty capture of the above LD, no clue.


Third one is another SC synced one and does have a LD number attached, ID8060IV, which CiNEPHiLES alledged sounded the same as the UHD PCM, however as you can see it doesn't have the filtering. However it still is not as detailed as the first capture and also doesn't quite match the second either.


I would really like to find out where the first capture comes from as it sounds the best. I am in contact with the person who grabbed it originally for me to see if they may know. Just posting to spread a tiny bit of awareness. Very interesting deal here.