Is the LotR 4K remaster a failure?

[webbos]

@TomArrow - Well, same here, that's not necessarily an issue. but I was wondering about the subwoofer itself.

[zoidberg]

In regards to the OP post : I would say the BluRay version can't really hold up a candle in terms of color accuracy and that's what matters most from a calibration perspective (aka how the director intended for the viewer to see). The HDR part is bonus & welcome, of course.

What i'm curious is - the LFE level didn't seem loud when I've watched it, actually quite spot-on.
What audio setup are you using @TomArrow ?

With regards to the LFE some have posted on other forums that the LFE has been filtered to remove the really low stuff which was present in earlier releases. FWIW there's always been a debate on the LFE levels of the home releases, starting with the FotR DVD which many said was 'cooked'.

I'm interested in your comment about calibration. From what I can gather there is no set standard for HDR in terms of its implementation, most displays can't even reproduce the full gamut of Rec2020 and will handle tone mapping differently from one another. So unless there's been some breakthrough I'm not aware of calibrating UHD HDR is impossible, the only way you're going to see what the director sees is if you borrow his display

[deleted user]

In regards to the OP post : I would say the BluRay version can't really hold up a candle in terms of color accuracy and that's what matters most from a calibration perspective (aka how the director intended for the viewer to see). The HDR part is bonus & welcome, of course.

What i'm curious is - the LFE level didn't seem loud when I've watched it, actually quite spot-on.
What audio setup are you using @TomArrow ?

With regards to the LFE some have posted on other forums that the LFE has been filtered to remove the really low stuff which was present in earlier releases. FWIW there's always been a debate on the LFE levels of the home releases, starting with the FotR DVD which many said was 'cooked'.

I'm interested in your comment about calibration. From what I can gather there is no set standard for HDR in terms of its implementation, most displays can't even reproduce the full gamut of Rec2020 and will handle tone mapping differently from one another. So unless there's been some breakthrough I'm not aware of calibrating UHD HDR is impossible, the only way you're going to see what the director sees is if you borrow his display

I think HDR displays just come factory calibrated. Maybe I'm way out of my depth here, but the process of converting from one colorspace to another etc. has very well established math. Basically you unfold the transfer function to linear, then you convert to XYZ and from XYZ into the target color space (that of the display). Only issue being the treatment of out of gamut colors and stuff that is too bright or too dark. But ultimately that has always been an issue with calibration - it cannot make your display show colors that it is incapable of displaying. If your display has a black level of 1 nit, calibration won't be able to change that. It can only make sure to correctly map the colors it *can* display to those in the video.

[webbos]

No matter what TV set someone is having, any set can benefit from professional calibration.
Based on a Gamma - the White Balance / Color Display & Accuracy (multi point calibration) is calibrated and that's what matters. What the TV does by tonemapping, that's something else and not subject to "changes".

The better the TV, the better the output / end-result.
I think the HZ Panasonic series is currently the best possible TV out there, for a cinephil person. I've witnessed it and it's amazing. Too bad it's not being sold in USA, super-odd.
Even this TV-set which comes with certain "pre-calibrated" presets, gets to perfection when calibrated properly.

I remember my old Panasonic Plasma which had a THX mode (from factory) and it was absolute crap / junk (too green-ish)
So, no, unfortunately, there are no-factory-calibrated-models.

[Muyfa666]

I have followed the LOTR 4K discussion mainly on Bluray.com, but I haven't pitched in yet.

IMO, the 4K's are the definitive preferred versions to watch now, even thou I recognize that they could've been better.

Have there been any official word if the "ultimate" release coming later will have different encodes?

[Gieferg]

The thing with the flashbacks, changed to match Hobbit 2 & 3 is the sole reason I won't touch that version even with a stick and through a rag.

[marin888]

Russian 'Lord of the Rings' TV Adaptation from 30 Years Ago Discovered

A Russian television company has delighted fans of J.R.R. Tolkien by sharing on YouTube a Soviet-era TV adaptation of the book The Lord of the Rings which was believed to have been lost.

Based on the first book of the renowned trilogy by the British fantasy writer, the production titled "Khraniteli" which means "keepers" or "guardians" was broadcast only once on television. Filmed at the Leningrad television studio 30 years ago, after it was shown on TV it seemingly disappeared without trace.

Fans had tried to find the 1991 version, which was based on a translation into Russian by Vladimir Muravyov and Andrey Kistyakovsky.

The search was over after Russia's Channel 5 uploaded to its YouTube channel the adaptation in two parts.

"A bow to those who are digitizing the archives of the Leningrad television!" wrote one user. "While listening to the opening mournful song, I almost died from laughter and pleasure," wrote another.

It is not the only Soviet-era adaptation of Tolkien. A TV show was produced in 1985 called "The Fabulous Journey of Mr. Bilbo Baggins, The Hobbit," Esquire reported.

https://www.newsweek.com/lord-rings-tolk...be-1580368

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vquKyNdgH3s
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oLevCLNnLmg

[Red41804]

I tried to remove the green tint from the blu-ray using this guide, but the audio is off sync.

https://www.howtogeek.com/238725/how-to-...u-ray/amp/

[Hydra Spectre]

Apparently, the Atmos remixes are neutered compared to the original DTS-ES 6.1 mixes on Blu-ray.
Now I am curious...
What are the actual differences between the pre-Atmos Dolby Digital EX and DTS-ES mixes of the LOTR Trilogy?
I am looking for comparisons between the following mixes of the LOTR Trilogy:
- TC DVD Dolby Digital EX 6.1
- TC 35mm Cinema DTS-ES Matrix 6.1
- TC Blu-ray DTS-HD Master Audio 6.1 Matrix
- EE DVD Dolby Digital EX 6.1
- EE DVD DTS-ES Discrete 6.1
- EE Blu-ray DTS-HD Master Audio 6.1 Discrete
I especially wonder if the audio levels are similar between the Cinema DTS-ES mix and the TC Blu-ray DTS-HD mix. And if they are also the same between those mixes and the EE Blu-ray DTS-HD MA 6.1.

[Stamper]

I had all but given up on the LOTR saga due to Blu-ray blandness and messing up, but I recently stumbled in a case on the old french DVDs and put them on for a spin, and I was surprised to find they are localised with french titles (for all theatrical cuts).
I found the DVD box set of the Special Editions, so will watch them this week to check if they have french titles too.
Those old DVDs are the way the original masters were before the Blu blunder, so I guess they represent how they looked in the theaters.