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Sync separate audio track to mkv file |
Posted by: JackForrester - 2020-06-15, 11:08 PM - Forum: Converting, encoding, authoring
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Hello again,
This sounds like a very simple task but I can't make it work. I've been using MKVToolNix-Gui to mux audio and video but the audio won't sync.
Audio file is a foreign track that contains the french dub of the film that I would like to include in the mkv file. Audio was extracted from an avi file (Dvdrip). Both files, the Dvdrip and the mkv are identical. Same length, no different logos at the beginning, no extra scenes.
Here's the media info of the extracted audio file:
Format : AC-3
Format/Info : Audio Coding 3
Commercial name : Dolby Digital
File size : 287 MiB
Duration : 2 h 5 min
Overall bit rate mode : Constant
Overall bit rate : 320 kb/s
Audio
Format : AC-3
Format/Info : Audio Coding 3
Commercial name : Dolby Digital
Duration : 2 h 5 min
Bit rate mode : Constant
Bit rate : 320 kb/s
Channel(s) : 2 channels
Channel layout : L R
Sampling rate : 48.0 kHz
Frame rate : 31.250 FPS (1536 SPF)
Compression mode : Lossy
Stream size : 287 MiB (100%)
Service kind : Complete Main
And the media info of the video:
Format : Matroska
Format version : Version 4
File size : 12.0 GiB
Duration : 2 h 5 min
Overall bit rate : 13.7 Mb/s
Encoded date : UTC 2010-02-22 21:41:29
Writing application : no_variable_data
Writing library : no_variable_data
Video
ID : 1
Format : AVC
Format/Info : Advanced Video Codec
Format profile : High@L4.1
Format settings : CABAC / 4 Ref Frames
Format settings, CABAC : Yes
Format settings, Reference : 4 frames
Codec ID : V_MPEG4/ISO/AVC
Duration : 2 h 5 min
Bit rate : 13.3 Mb/s
Width : 1 920 pixels
Height : 1 080 pixels
Display aspect ratio : 16:9
Frame rate mode : Constant
Frame rate : 23.976 (24000/1001) FPS
Color space : YUV
Chroma subsampling : 4:2:0
Bit depth : 8 bits
Scan type : Progressive
Bits/(Pixel*Frame) : 0.267
Stream size : 11.4 GiB (95%)
I've been told to change the fps of the video to 25 on MKVToolNix before mux since it's possible the Dvdrip was made from a PAL disc. It didn't work, audio is still out of sync. Any ideas what am I doing wrong?
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Streets of Fire (1984) - Best audio? |
Posted by: BDgeek - 2020-06-15, 06:02 PM - Forum: Requests, proposals, help
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Hi there!
I'm starting this thread to gather information on the various soundtracks for Streets of Fire, aftertall this one is all about sound!
I was very happy with the DTS-HD MA 2.0 mix on the Shout Collector's Edition until I found out yesterday, to my surprise, that the it was reissued in Steelbook with the addition of a DTS-HD MA 4.1 mix "created from the 70mm Six Track Magnetic Audio"(quote removed directly from a photo of the back cover).
In my immeditate quest for information about this track, the quotes bellow were all I could find and they do sound very promising:
"The new DTS-MA 4.1 track is a noticeable improvement over the old DTS-MA 5.1 track. The new track is much more balanced and less strident, with the new 4.1 track having better bass and significantly higher fidelity. The old track sounds more dated and hollow in comparison, although both are listenable - that being said while the old 5.1 sounded good on the first release, its hard to go back to listening to it after hearing the new 4.1. The new track is also recorded at a lower volume level and seems to have improved dynamic range."
"Listening to multiple sections over and over the 4.1 mix is clearly the best followed by the 2.0 Stereo and the 5.1 is just LOUD."
Has anyone else here been able to sample this track?
Also, regarding the 1996 Wiscreen LD, I'd really appreciate if any of our members here can offer some information on how it sounds.
Thanks a lot!
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Cut 2000 - DVD 5.1 audio? |
Posted by: SpaceBlackKnight - 2020-06-14, 10:08 AM - Forum: Requests, proposals, help
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Back in November, Umbrella released this obscure horror comedy on BD in Australia from a 4k scan of the IP. Prior to Umbrellas release it never even got a DVD release in it's native country, not to mention the US release was regulated to a straight to DVD barebones effort by Trimark\Lionsgate, and a EE'd magentia tinged Lionsgate HD Master on US streaming outlets. PQ on the Umbrella blu is quite nice considering it's source, even if its a bit bright and dirty in some spots.
The biggest issue with the Umbrella release is the audio. Cut was natively recorded in Dolby Digital 5.1, and Umbrella used the optical stereo track which sounds OK, aside from being moderately crackly and brief sections switching to a mono source. This suggests that since they used an IP instead of the OCN, it's assumed Beyond Productions (production company Umbrella liecenced from) dosen't have the OCN or 5.1 elements, or they were in unusable shape and decided utilizing an IP with the optical track was easier in the long run (Australians aren't known for properly preserving film and audio elements well, espically the smaller independent producers, so I wouldn't be surprised if it were the case even for a 20 yr old film).
Heck, even the Trimark DVD and Lionsgate streaming HD master all have DD 2.0, but lacks the crackle Umbrellas audio has. This may suggest Beyond gave Lionsgate all their elements including the 5.1 element and Trimark mastered it as 2.0 with zero shits given, or Beyond gave them an IP or and Interneg with the Dolby Surround LRCS mix that Beyond also probably lost nowadays.
However, according to Rewind there are Scandinavian and German DVDs that claim to have English 5.1 tracks. I'm not sure if they're proper 5.1 mixes or some janky upmix from a 2.0 element, but would be worth looking into if anyone else has more info about them.
Even if I do find the proper 5.1 tracks, they're most likely in PAL 25fps format and require speeding down to 24fps as the Umbrella Blu is, which isn't that big of a job. I imagine both lack the Beyond and Mushroon Pictures logos (which the Umbrella Blu has) if its like the Trimark/Lionsgate master, but that could also be easily fixed by patching in 5.1 sources for those from somewhere.
But the biggest possible issue is theres a chance at least the German DVD might have content cuts, or both have longer/shorter frames in shots, which will be a problem if it is the case.
This is my first audio syncing project for a main feature. I do have Audacity experience under my belt and i imagine the sync by waveform method would work if theres no mixing disperences or extended/shortened frames between each source. Theres probably gonna be some new things or obsticles I'd have to get the hang of, so bear with me here.
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Toma 1973-1974 |
Posted by: alleycat - 2020-06-12, 07:39 PM - Forum: Requests, proposals, help
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Just wondered if anyone has ever seen a preservation of this police TV series starting Tony Musante? Doesn’t look like there has ever been a release in any format so guess it’s reliant on someone who recorded it.
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STILL GAME: reinstating the original music |
Posted by: pipefan413 - 2020-06-12, 04:13 PM - Forum: In progress
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![[Image: title.png]](https://i.postimg.cc/bwhJF8mh/title.png)
reinstating the original music
For those of us who watched it at the time, one of the most iconic elements of the Scottish TV comedy STILL GAME was the lovably naff theme tune:
As Tom Urie quite rightly says at the start of the documentary STILL GAME: The Story So Far, that theme was a big part of the experience of living in Scotland while that programme aired (the documentary is something else I'd like to preserve somehow, since so far I can only find it on YouTube in crap quality with a bit cut off the start).
... So you can imagine how annoyed I was to fairly recently discover that on both the current run of DVDs and on Netflix (which presumably is made from the same masters), they replaced that iconic theme tune with some dodgy library music that sounds vaguely like a knockoff of the theme from Terry Gilliam's BRAZIL:
It goes further than this, too. Some specific episodes also used licenced music, but for the DVD/Neftlix have had it removed and replaced with library music (e.g. Green Onions in one episode has been replaced by a dodgy but legally distinct knockoff). Presumably, then, this is all to avoid paying those who wrote the music that was originally used for broadcast. Notably, the theme tune is not fully original: it heavily features sampling from an existing piece of music. It wasn't until the show came back after an almost decade-long hiatus in 2016 that the theme was restored to Netflix versions of the episodes, courtesy of a re-recording (that therefore doesn't use any sampling) by the BBC Scottish Symphony Orchestra (as discussed here: https://www.glasgowlive.co.uk/news/tv/st...e-11926005). Even then, the new theme only applies to the new episodes (series 7 onwards), not any of the old ones... which are still stuck with the library music.
This has been bugging me so I looked into it and found that the original Scottish DVD releases (pressed in Glasgow) actually *did* have the original music, not just for the theme, but for the other music that was replaced later as well e.g. Green Onions. They're also in the original UK TV PAL format at 25 fps (like all the Scottish/UK DVDs), whereas it looks like Netflix has NTSC conversions.
You'd perhaps assume that this would mean that you could just get the old DVDs and watch them as-is, which is mostly what my intention is moving forward, except that...
1. Series 1 is all on one single-layer disc, so the video quality is lower than series 2 onwards and the separate disc of Hogmanay and Christmas Specials (it's 6 approximately 30-minute episodes on a single ~4.38 GB DVD5 disc, so that's not hugely surprising). This is theoretically easily fixed though because the newer DVD version with the incorrect music is on a dual-layer DVD9, which presumably means it's also been encoded at quality more similar to the later DVD releases of the rest of the series.
2. Only the first 3 series (and, bizarrely, the fourth and final special on the Hogmanay/Christmas disc) have the original music on their first DVD pressings. From series 4 onwards, the programme started to gain some recognition outside of Scotland with limited broadcasts and a wider DVD release for the rest of the UK, which was when they started replacing everything with the library music (they also changed the format of the episode titles, making them less Scottish so that it wouldn't put non-Scots off, or something... which is daft for a show that's entirely centred around foul-mouthed Scottish pensioners). For the remaining 6 series and 3 specials, as far as I am aware, there is no available source for the original music unless they re-run them on iPlayer, and even then I don't have the means to capture audio unless it's done through my sound card (which will sound like crap and necessitate recording lossy encoded audio to PCM, significantly increasing file sizes). For series 1-3 and that one final 2007 special, the old DVDs have the original audio albeit only in 192 kbps Dolby AC-3 (stereo, it being from the days of SD TV).
3. I would have simply edited the original theme on to the beginning and end of the episodes for series 4 onwards that didn't get the original theme on DVD, but that wouldn't work because the music overlaps with other audio in every episode (it fades out as the episode starts and sound effects / dialogue become audible as the music is still playing; similar thing at the end credits).
4. I've just discovered that at least one episode (specifically series 6, episode 6/7) also has missing dialogue, at least on the Netflix version. Around 2 mins and 25 seconds in, Tam lifts some change out of the pub puggy and says something to two other characters, except that there is no audio whatsoever despite his lips moving and the characters reacting to what he said. Thus far, I don't know if the iPlayer version would have been the same or not, or if there's any DVD that fixes it. It's certainly the same on this one from YouTube, which I'm guessing is probably from a DVD:
In other words, all I can really do for the time being is restore the audio from the old series 1 DVD to the newer series 1 DVD in order to preserve a half-decent video encode alongside the original music. Series 4-6 and 3/4 of the specials will need to continue to exist with the library music for now. To do anything more than that, I'd need to find a viable source for the original audio, which would most likely require figuring out how the hell to extract audio from iPlayer (think "WEB-DL" rather than "WEBrip")... and they're not even on iPlayer right now anyway. Annoyingly, I think I just missed them as well: I recently noticed that some of the old episodes were back on iPlayer but most of them had already expired. Now, it's only series 7-9 that's still there.
If anybody thinks they might be in a position to help with this in any way, please PM me!
P.S. Just for good measure, by the way, the Netflix episodes are also in the wrong order and incomplete: most of the specials are missing, and the one that actually is included is put in completely the wrong place (far earlier than it aired) which causes a huge spoiler for later developments if you haven't seen it before!
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Project CRT (aka The CRT Project) |
Posted by: PDB - 2020-06-11, 10:18 PM - Forum: Requests, proposals, help
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Ok this thread is half a technical inquiry and half a project thread similar to my Upscale Project and 35 Project.
There is a long standing theory here on the forum that I always wanted to test. It was noticed some time ago that many video masters made from roughly late 90's to mid 2000s have a magenta (or red or pink) look to them when viewed on modern TVs. You can see it often once you know what to look for. White clouds that have a pink hue, faces that are red with high blood pressure, blues that looks more purple then blue, etc.
The thought as to why this happened is that the mastering monitors used to make these videos were CRTs. Those CRT monitors work a lot different then our modern screens and they tend to push very green and yellow. This likely happens because unlike modern panels which have color standards to achieve (Rec709, Rec2020), a lot of CRTs only had color temperature to work with (D65 or D93). In order to compensate the masters were pushed toward red in order to keep the white balance correct. That worked fine when we were in the world of CRTs but once the world migrated to flat panels these old masters took on a very magenta or reddish look.
The industry moved on to LCD in mid 2000s and then OLED panels. With that move the red bias went away. But the work was already done. In the run up and adoption of HD in the 2000s many studios quickly mastered their old movies and those masters still are being trotted out. You see it a lot with 20th Century Fox, Disney but I see it the most by MGM, who remastered in HD most of their film library in the early 2000s.
So this thread's goal is to try to prove if this theory is correct or not and if it is, to adjust some masters to reflect how they look on a CRT so you have the proper look on modern flat panels. So, step one is to get a CRT. Not just any CRT but one used in the mastering process. A Sony BVM, PVM or some such. That is a difficult proposition because those monitors are expensive since retrogamers like to play on them and I simply don't have the money to afford one. Luckily, I have a friend that had the perfect answer. An HDCRT mastering monitor in the Sony HDVS line that is useless to retrogamers as it will not do 240p or 480i. But it will do the HD resolutions that I need at D65. I borrowed the monitor, hooked it up to my laptop with its calibrated OLED screen and played a movie on both simultaneously. Now the iPhone I used to take the pics is skewing the colors a little (especially towards the red unfortunately) but these rough, rough pictures should let you know what I'm seeing till I break my DSLR out and replace the pics later with better examples.
Top is a calibrated OLED screen/Bottom is HDCRT
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Star Trek 2 (1st gen BD), Office Space, Jurassic Park, Temple Of Doom, The Dark Knight (1st gen BD)
And what I'm seeing is it looks like there might be some truth to this theory. It does appear that the white balance is better for some of these masters, the skin tones are better and the pervasive magenta/red tint is lessened or gone. Overall the colors are much better in my opinion. That is not to say not more theatrical accurate. There is no way for me to know that but hopefully more accurate to what the person grading the film was going for.
So the next step is to do more experimentation and start trying to color grade these masters to what I am seeing
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Hey! |
Posted by: Monsieur Hulot - 2020-06-10, 06:52 PM - Forum: Presentation
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Hi everyone, I have been over at OT and TSWT for a while and can't believe i never registered here. Well I am here now and want to say hello!
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