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BASKET CASE framing differences / re-stabilisation |
Posted by: pipefan413 - 2020-06-08, 12:50 AM - Forum: Requests, proposals, help
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I haven't fully decided whether I'll actually do this or not, but it annoys me enough to seriously consider it. I want to check other sources before proceeding though. My copy of BASKET CASE is the one released by Second Sight in 2012, which I assume to be sourced from the same master as the Image Entertainment release the year before, mostly due to them sharing an aspect ratio of 1.33:1 (Blu-ray.com claims the Image one is 1.34:1 but the back of the box says otherwise). The thing that may render this project unnecessary is that there is also a more recent Arrow release from 2018, with a different aspect ratio (apparently 1.37:1). Anyway, I'll get to the point...
The original theatrical presentation of this film seems to have been matted to 1.85:1, but on the negative it's more like 1.37:1. When the elements were re-scanned for Blu-ray, apparently the director chose to open up the frame to show more of the image since he was unhappy with the 1.85:1 presentation. There's a problem, though: possibly as a result of this opened matte, or possibly due to some other reason which currently eludes me, the framing very severely jumps on almost every single hard cut in the entire film on the Second Sight Blu-ray Disc. To show you what I mean, here are some screenshots from QuickTime Player to show both the frame numbers and the extent of the problem I'm talking about:
![[Image: 12366.png]](https://i.postimg.cc/FkZvkbg3/12366.png)
As you can see, after the cut, the framing starts off high, then jumps very noticeably downwards, then goes back up again to somewhere in the middle. This takes place over about 4 frames. This happens over... and over... and over again, the whole way through the entire film. It's extremely annoying.
The Arrow release was a US/CA exclusive (perhaps due to the relatively recent non-limited-edition version of the Second Sight release having just come out a couple of years prior) so I never got a copy and it's now really expensive, meaning I haven't yet seen it to compare and check whether this same problem is present there as well. It is framed differently though, so it could well be a completely different scan, and may not necessarily have this problem.
Might anybody be in a position to help compare the Arrow and Second Sight / Image releases to work out if it's worth me attempting this rather tedious but potentially worthwhile project?
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DOG SOLDIERS: fixing the Koch Media release |
Posted by: pipefan413 - 2020-06-07, 11:22 PM - Forum: In progress
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DOG SOLDIERS is one of my favourite films. I grew up watching horror and this is exactly the kind of mix of horror and black comedy that I love. But here's the trouble: there is no definitive release of this film.
It's a UK film, but since the UK is a PAL region, my DVD copy is not ideal. As far as Blu-ray goes, I think there was one US release from the old DVD master, and then after that Scream Factory did a new scan of a print in association with the director, which unfortunately looks really really poor because it is after all a scan of a 35 mm blowup a few generations away from the original 16 mm negative. The best visual fidelity to date is one Koch Media released in Germany last year, which is reportedly constructed from the original 16 mm negative (interesting because this was previously declared "lost", hence Scream Factory scanning a print). But even that has significant problems.
Some issues with the German UHD / 1080p release:
- The video levels appear to be wrong, as if it was accidentally encoded with PC RGB levels (0 to 255) instead of standard home video limited levels (16 to 235). When you play it back, it's as if the player thinks it's limited but it's actually full, because blacks look extremely washed out and grey.
- There appear to have been missing or damaged frames in the OCN elements somehow, because several frames seem to have been inserted from what looks like the Scream Factory (35 mm blowup) release, which makes the quality inconsistent.
- Another inconsistency with the quality is that every time there's an optical effect, the generational difference between the actual negative elements directly from the camera and the several-generations-removed frames containing optical effects is extremely jarring, because there is so much additional grain and so on. This is normal enough for optical effects, but it's severe here because of the 16 mm to 35 mm blowup making the grain significantly more apparent.
- Frequently when there is a hard cut, the new 2 or 3 frames are misaligned before the framing is then realigned and remains in place for the remainder of the shot. I found that the Second Sight open matte restoration of BASKET CASE had this same problem, which is also something I have a vague plan to fix (I'll probably crop it back to its original theatrical presentation which will mean I can stabilise each cut, but it'll take forever to do that). I may also consider doing the same with DOG SOLDIERS, but this would be extremely time consuming and tedious and I've got far too many things on my plate as it is.
- The English audio has been screwed up pretty severely, with at least two moments I know of thus far where the music or some other part of the audio is completely out of sync, causing it to obscure or even completely replace dialogue. Around 00:03:25 or so, the music builds to a crescendo then stops abruptly in every other audio track (e.g. DVD, Scream Factory BD, and German 5.1 track off this release) but in the English 5.1 Koch has the music fall behind so that it's still blaring when a character speaks instead of being almost silent. There's a similar issue a few minutes later as well (as described here) where a helicopter sound is duplicated in place of an actual line of dialogue, which is subtitled but not actually present in the audio (Koch on left, Scream Factory on right):
![[Image: Dog-Soldiers-Scream-Factory-00h07m46s-line-present.png]](https://i.postimg.cc/ZBchBKjQ/Dog-Soldiers-Scream-Factory-00h07m46s-line-present.png)
- The *German* audio seems to be sourced from a sped up PAL master, because it's all pitch-shifted upwards by ~4%. This makes it somewhat less useful for patching the English audio with, though not necessarily entirely useless.
So basically, this is a right big bloody mess.
I actually quite enjoy watching the crappy Scream Factory scan, because this film suits a more grindhouse-y presentation anyway and it means that when the opticals kick in there isn't a huge and harring drop in quality. However, the majority of the film looks undeniably superior on the Koch release because of the much better source, and the Scream Factory scan appears to be significantly cropped down to 1.78:1 (16:9) instead of its correct aspect ratio of 1.85:1. There is a Japanese release due out soon which seems to be sourced from the Koch scan, but I have no idea if they'll bother to fix the audio or any of the issues with the video and I don't think it's likely I'd be importing it to find out because it would be really expensive to do so and if it turns out they just left it as is I'd be really annoyed at wasting so much money.
I'm going to experiment with a few different approaches, starting with the simplest. Initially, I planned to try to simply sync the audio off the old Scream Factory release to the Koch Media one, but figured I might have to patch missing frames from the Scream Factory scan. Turns out that it might be almost the other way around somehow, since the Koch release's English audio for some reason seems to get ahead of the Scream Factory audio rather than the reverse. I'm wondering if maybe it's a 24 fps vs 24000/1001 fps issue, since it seems to get worse and worse as the film progresses (on the Koch release).
I'm assuming I'll need to actually go through both releases frame by frame to see if they actually contain the same frames of the actual film (video-wise) because the audio is all over the damn place. It might be as simple as just ignoring the Koch audio completely and figuring out a delay to apply to the Scream Factory audio that works reasonably well with the Koch video, but not if they have a significant difference in video frames.
To *really* do this justice I think somebody (probably somebody with a lot more skill and experience than me, unless I come back to this much later) would likely need to start with the Koch release but use the Scream Factory and/or earlier releases to fix the audio problems, as well as somehow figuring out how best to stabilise all the dodgy hard cuts and probably apply a grain plate to the shots sourced straight from the OCN so that they look more similar to the shots containing optical effects. Finally, the render would need to be done at the right video levels to get rid of the minging grey "blacks". But right now, the main thing is probably to sort the audio out, and *maybe* re-encode to fix the video levels (or if possible, just update the headers to flag the content as full-range, but I don't know if that would actually work in practice).
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Indiana Jones and the Temple of Doom - 2K |
Posted by: Monsieur Hulot - 2020-06-06, 11:05 PM - Forum: Requests, proposals, help
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Hey everyone, a while ago I thought to myself, 'Why is there no project for this?' So, I have decided to start this project. Williarob's friend has this in his collection, and we have been able to fund the other two so funding this will surely be no problem.
Williarob's friend also has a trailer to this, so that could be a nice little extra. ![[Image: clear.png]](https://forums.thestarwarstrilogy.com/styles/default/xenforo/clear.png)
This is not a TN1 project, while members of TN1 are welcome to help this is a preservation undertaken by me, Monsieur Hulot (Not literally, or course i'm not that old)
If you wish to be involved in the preservation, just let me know via a PM, help will be accepted.
Pledges so far
$100 - Bmar123456 (Not on here)
$100 - J Ramsey (Facebook) X
$75 - R. Douglas (Facebook)
$50 - mcsbro X
$50 - Shuggy
$50 - phillynbyrne
$34 - littlebono X
$30 - 3maters (OT)
$25 - DJ Johnny (Not on here) X
$25 - Mlbukowski (Not on Here) X
$25 - williarob X
$25 - ThePlayer X
$25 - Scruffy X
$25 - irishogrady X
$25 - L. Velasco (Facebook)
$25 - rogue1 X
$25 - 77FN
$25 - Soupdrinker0 X
$23 - BostenBigPack X
$23 - craigbillet (OT) X
$20 - Garrison Ryfun X
$20 -shiftyeyes X
$20 - Killstorm X
$19 - Kynch (FanRes) X
$14 - Hans SouvDish Olo X
$14 - Christosalaki (Not on here) X
$10 - desertfox X
$10 - D. Edwards (Facebook)
$10 - FilmD00d X
$5 - CG77 X
$3 - Moiisty (OT)
$2.50 - Hitcher (FanRes) X
$2.50 - alinskey (FanRes) X
$2.50 - J. Parchem (Not on here)
Total: $930
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Ashes of Time (1994) Theatrical Cut |
Posted by: NeonBible - 2020-06-06, 04:05 PM - Forum: Official and unofficial releases
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Does anyone have the Japanese R2 Pony Canyon DVD? Supposedly has the best transfer of the original theatrical cut.
I can't find much info about it anywhere and would like to see some screencaps to see how it compares to the HK Mei Ah (bad port of laserdisc with burnt in subs).
There is supposed to be a custom DVD out there of the Japanese DVD with english subtitles which weren't included on the official release.
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Kiss of the Dragon Blu-Ray |
Posted by: MeanjohnRambo - 2020-06-06, 10:28 AM - Forum: Movies, TV shows and other
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Wow. I was looking up Blu-Ray reviews for Kiss of the Dragon and I did not expect the image quality to be this poor. The picture quality is supposedly horrendous and lacking in detail which is a shame because I love Kiss of the Dragon. I know the movie is almost like a video game complete with "boss fights" but I've always loved it as a straight-forward, no-nonsense action movie. Kiss of the Dragon definitely deserves a better Blu-Ray release because it's an underrated gem I don't hear too many people talk about imo
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A Better Tomorrow correction/regrade? |
Posted by: Serums - 2020-06-06, 03:50 AM - Forum: Requests, proposals, help
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Hello everyone,
I'll start by saying that I recall the thread Colek posted in regards to working on a similar project. I've not seen his release, just the screencaps that were posted here. But as I understand it, he doesn't have as much time to work on customs these days. I don't wish to step on anyone's toes, but I recall some comments made in my Supercop thread some time ago stating that the ABT remaster would look good with some scene by scene correction/tweaking. Would it be worthwhile for me to take a shot at it?
I should say that I don't have much in the way of resources for ABT's video (I think I've only got the blu-ray and the HK DVD (from the two pack with 'The Killer'), so if anyone knows of a release that has good/preferred colours, I'd be happy to hear any information, comments, and/or thoughts on it.
I've heard the story that John Woo approved the colouration that Ritrovata did for this remaster, but I've always wondered if what he saw on their monitors is the same as what we wound up getting.
Thanks!
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Purple Rain (1984) LD and VHS analog |
Posted by: spaceboy710 - 2020-06-04, 11:32 PM - Forum: Released
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Two different versions of PURPLE RAIN. Neither are synced and might need a touch of editing between sides but if you'd like to sync it to the latest BD release, please let me know.
PM me for links.
The VHS might sound just a little better but has a few moments of tape sounds here and there. Nothing some splicing can't handle. Regardless, they are probably closer to the original Dolby Stereo theatrical mix.
Movie: Purple Rain (1984)
Format: LD 11398
https://www.lddb.com/laserdisc/55659/11398/Purple-Rain
Output Soundtrack: 24-bit, 96khz, Stereo
Lineage: Pioneer LD 660 > e-mu 0404 > Audacity
Two recordings of this disc were made. One with CX engaged and one without CX engaged.
2.06 GB FLAC. I know 24/96 is probably overkill but with analog I'd rather be safe than sorry.
Movie: Purple Rain (1984)
Format: VHS (1995 release - 0085391139836)
Quality: VG
Output Soundtrack: 24-bit, 96khz, Stereo
Lineage: JVC SR-S365U > e-mu 0404 > Audacity
2.16 GB FLAC
Please PM me for links
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Trainspotting (1996) |
Posted by: drdoom - 2020-06-04, 03:48 PM - Forum: Requests, proposals, help
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not sure if this is tv version or vhs tape that's been circulation around the traders, Trainspotting (1996) International Version - 22 added scenes, original undubbed audio, totally different from U.S. version. Has anyone got this?
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