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"PAL speedup" pitch shift... on Blu-ray?! |
Posted by: pipefan413 - 2020-04-17, 12:59 AM - Forum: Audio and video editing
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So... I've discovered something extremely unsettling on a few Blu-rays lately and it doesn't make any sense to me.
The first one was my German copy of SNOWPIERCER. I was working on a sort of "ultimate remux" of sorts with my own newly-translated English subtitles (in both SRT and PGS format) and checking all the sources I have to ascertain which elements to use, and I was alarmed to discover that the German disc has exactly the sort of "PAL speedup" pitch shift you'd expect from an old-fashioned PAL (and thus 25 fps) DVD. However, it's got a framerate of 23.976 fps (24000/1001)! I thought maybe they're done something shonky to do with using audio from a master created for the German DVD or something (Germany being PAL etc.) and moved on with my life. After all, the Korean, American, and French Blu-rays were absolutely fine and had consistently lower pitch than the German audio. Weird anomaly, but no biggie, right?
The thing is though, now, I'm working on another one of my favourite films: NEAR DARK. I have many copies of this one as well: the much maligned US/UK BD, one from Spain, and the most recent one from France, as well as my old 2-disc Anchor Bay DVD copy, which is of course PAL (running at 25 fps, presumably with the associated speedup and resulting heightened pitch). The DVD has a director commentary that isn't on any BD release, so I was going to correct the PAL speedup on that and mux it into the French BD video track when I discovered 2 very confusing things:
- The PAL DVD audio was not pitch-shifted upwards, as the music is in the same key as the soundtrack CD
- On the contrary, the DVD audio is actually lower in pitch than all three of the Blu-ray releases, consistent across every audio track on each release. All the BDs have the pitch shifted too high, the same as German Snowpiercer!
This explains why the audio has always felt weird when I've watch the film on Blu-ray. I'm flummoxed, though. What the hell could have caused this?!
Anybody got any ideas?
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[SUPERCEDED BY 35MM PRESERVATION] The Keep (1983) [Project: Celluloid] |
Posted by: LucasGodzilla - 2020-04-15, 07:31 AM - Forum: Archived projects
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PROJECT CELLULOID: Michael Mann's The Keep
So amidst the mess outside, I've been screwing around a bit with the HDTV upscale of The Keep and decided to try and regrade it to what it probably would have looked like on 35mm.
The main problem though was the trailer source I color matched to led to some real funky colors sometimes due to the noticeable fading. As such, in order to fix the issues it led to, I had to take some liberties, leading to a stronger blue push throughout rather than the faded burgundies. Whether or not this is accurate is up for debate, however it can be argued that it does work much to the movie's favor in helping to bolster its dream-like atmosphere at times than the warmer, magenta-pushed colors seen on the HDTV master and the semi-corrected version Sporv released with his Fundamental Collection (Not to mention Mann has been known for pushing blues in his films apparently). So take it as you may, it's just an alternate way to see the movie either way now I guess lol
Original HDTV
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Regrade
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However, although I consider the grade itself to be done since there's not much I can do unless I suddenly get a better, unfaded source than the trailer posted above, there's still some work to be done on the master itself. Namely, there are some interlacing issues that need to be fixed, and TomArrow has suggested to me the idea of downscaling this blow-up and smart upscaling it back up in an attempt to fake some detail hopefully rather than just blobby smeariness. Once I get that in order, I hope to re-grain it, see if it can be synced with LD audio perhaps, and then go through the final export steps.
Side note, a real shame no proper HD master of the movie exists. I've heard some mentionings at times of people attempting to do a 35mm print preservation of the movie on a few different forums but those attempts never seemed to go anywhere either. So out of sheer curiosity, who would actually donate to see such a restoration effort for this movie?
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Hitchcock original audio thread |
Posted by: captainsolo - 2020-04-14, 02:56 AM - Forum: Requests, proposals, help
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This thread is for original audio on Hitchcock titles. This has been inspired by today’s discovery: certain Hitchcock films were released in Japan on LD with digital audio as the last part of the “Hitchcock library” collection!
I’ve been able to verify so far: Blackmail, Rebecca and...Vertigo. The latter two I just unboxed and checked out. Vertigo is the same master as the analog only pan n scan USA LD but with a pcm mono track that sounds like the dvd and bd track but so far to my ears better...
Now to fly and get a capture device stat...
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Tracking down theatrical mixes |
Posted by: allldu - 2020-04-10, 11:48 PM - Forum: Requests, proposals, help
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Hi guys,
I'm trying to track down a number of original theatrical mixes I'd like to sync to the UHDs that don't have them, and I would really appreciate this community expertise on the subject. Also, if you have any of them and are willing to share it with me, I'd gladly except the challenge of syncing them and share with everybody when done.
So here goes:
A FEW GOOD MEN - LD has Dolby Surround (original mix or the closest to it?)
SCHINDLER'S LIST - Cinema DTS (blu ray has DTS-HD MA 5.1, is this the original or near fielfd remix?)
BRAVEHEART - Dolby True HD 5.1 on blu ray could be the original DD (did it have DTS cinema?)
THE LOST WORLD: JURASSIC PARK - LD has DTS (original mix?)
THE BIG LEBOWSKI - Cinema DTS (blu ray has DTS-HD MA 5.1, is this the original or near fielfd remix?)
SAVING PRIVATE RYAN - Cinema DTS? (blu ray's DTS-HD MA 5.1 is supposedly inferior both to DTS on DVD and cinema DTS)
THE MUMMY - Cinema DTS?
GLADIATOR - Cinema DTS, it's somewhere out there...
HOW THE GRINCH STOLE CHRISTMAS (Jim Carrey) - Cinema DTS?
Thanks guys, any help of getting a hold of these would be very much appreciated.
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