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(re)discover open matte... |
Posted by: spoRv - 2017-01-23, 04:30 PM - Forum: Official and unofficial releases
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Once upon a time, every film released in home media formats (we are talking end of 70s here) was full screen; to achieve that, many were pan&scan - took just a part of the screen, eventually slide it left or right, and the sides were lost.
After a while, the laserdisc format (followed by all the others) started a new trend, letterboxed movies, where the whole image was displayed, adding black borders on top and bottom; at the time, many were against this, because TV sets were 4:3, and so black bars huge, and image smaller than non-letterboxed version.
Then came the 16:9 TV sets, DVD, HDTV, Blu-ray, and letterbox is the standard "de facto" for released movies.
So, what's about open matte? Well, many movies filmed in 35mm were "soft matted" when projected in the theaters; that mean the whole 1.33/1.37:1 image is used - apart, usually, for FX shots, as the cost of them is directly proportional to image area; then, when projected, a matte mask is put in front of the projector, to get rid of top and bottom parts, and get the desired aspect ratio. There are also some "hard matted" movies, where the black bars are on the print, and so no chance to get back the image parts that were behind them.
Many argue that a movie, at home, should be watched as the director (and/or studios) wanted it projected in theaters, in its OAR (original aspect ratio); I agree, this is the best way to watch it. But an open matte version is a great, alternative way, sometimes, to discover interesting things. Of course, not every one is a good version.
The best chance to find a good open matte version is to find out the OAR and the OM (open matte) AR; 1.85:1 (and smaller) AR and 1.33:1 OM, and in general 1.78:1 OM have often (but not always) a good chance to be good, and lose small to few image on the sides, often gaining more image on top and bottom.
At the contrary, 2.35:1 movies in 1.33 OM are usually heavily cropped, and a bad way to see the movie; also, many movies with a 2.35 (and higher) aspect ratio were shot using anamorphic lenses, so no way to get an OM version of them, but only P&S (Pan and Scan)
Old VHS tapes, laserdiscs and also DVDs offer a vast opportuinity to get 1.33:1 OM versions; I read somewhere that about 80% of the so-called fullscreen DVDs (in opposition to letterboxed DVDs, anamorphic or not) are indeed OM. On BD and HD-DVD, chances to get an OM version are quite rare, while often it's possible to see them on HDTV broadcast, or web download.
While open matte means to get a movie without mattes, not all of them are of the same kind. We could distinguish them in the following main kinds:
- full open matte - the image includes all (or almost all) the letterboxed image, hence a lot more image on top and bottom, while none (or a little bit) of image lost on the sides; this usually happens for movies where OAR difference is not that high from the OM AR - example, 1.66:1 OAR and 1.33:1 OM, 2.00:1 OAR and 1.78:1 OM, but sometimes happens also in other cases - as far as I know, vast majority of 1.85:1 OAR -> 1.78:1 OM is full open matte; 1.50:1 OAR (and lower) -> 1.33:1 could (should?) be the same
- normal open matte - the image includes more details on top and bottom in comparison to letterbox, but quite some image lost on both sides; this is the normal situation of higher difference from OAR to OM AR - example, 1.85:1 OAR and 1.33:1 OM, and 2.35 OAR and 1.78:1 OM
- open matte cropped - the image gain something on top and/or bottom, but a lot of details are lost on both sides; the difference with pan&scan is that usually no pans occour during the movie, but the OM image remains centered, or offset on given shots
- mixed open matte - some scenes could be full or normal open matte, while others could be cropped (usually during widest shots, or shots with special effects) or pan&scan
- variable aspect ratio - lately we find some movies, usually shot on IMAX, that retain some shots open matte (full or cropped), while the rest of the movie is letterboxed
Share your opinions, ideas, experiences about open matte here!
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available DTS Cinema audio for trailers |
Posted by: spoRv - 2017-01-23, 12:46 PM - Forum: Requests, proposals, help
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I got the following DTS Cinema audio for trailers (with duration):
Fight Club (48s)
Minority Report (116s)
Speed 2 (97s)
Titan A.E. (38s)
Volcano (a) (60s)
Volcano (b) (146s)
If someone may find the right video to couple with them, please let me know, and I'll upload the needed ones.
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Bit perfect or bust? |
Posted by: zoidberg - 2017-01-21, 01:03 AM - Forum: Capture and rip
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I'm awful tempted to get me another laserdisc player for audio rips but in the UK it seems getting one with PCM spdif (for a reasonable price) is a tall order. Should I be patient and wait for something to show up or just settle for analogue (ie L/R stereo rca) outputs? I know you used to be able to add a digital out via a mod but that might be above my pay grade.
(Edited for clarification)
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[SOLVED] From Premiere to uncompressed AVI intermediate |
Posted by: Evit - 2017-01-20, 04:35 PM - Forum: Converting, encoding, authoring
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I finished my Escape from New York project but I find myself stuck near the finish line. I'm new to all this and I need a collective hand (and a hug at this point, why not) because I can't seem to be able to make some steps work.
The story so far:
I worked on Adobe Premiere CS6/After Effects and found out that 1) Encore really sucks at authoring Blu-Rays so it's not an option, 2) exporting/encoding directly from Premiere in H.264 wasn't the wisest choice in the first place (because of its subpar h264 encoder)
So I've been suggested to follow this workflow that I'm sure you're all familiar with: export a lossless intermediate file and then use the native x264.exe to convert this large file into a Blu-Ray compatible H.264 which will then be used with an authoring software (spoRv recommended me EasyBD but I ain't got that far yet!) to create a Blu-Ray.
Since the commonly recommended lagarith is now obsolete and did not seem to integrate at all with my Premiere, I installed UtVideo and with its codecs I could finally export the film from Premiere as a large uncompressed AVI (YUV 4.2.0 BT.709), so obtaining the intermediate avi file.
Where is the problem
From the intermediate file the next step should be to convert it into a Blu-Ray-compatible file thanks to an executable, x264.exe, that can handle the h264 encoding properly. As you all already know (but I'm new to all this) x264 doesn't have a GUI but relies on the use of command prompt to tell it what to do. So, well aware of my ignorance on this type of procedure, I followed given instructions relying but ended nowhere. Where it seems easy for others, I found a wall of errors/can't dos and now I'm totally stuck. Getting help individually from very helpful members residing in different time zones turns this a long-term assistance so I decided to stop being a burden for single individuals and I'm gonna start bothering the whole board with my encoding problems.
Let's start with the script I've been using for pass 1
(my intermediate avi is called EFNY_INTERMEDIATE.avi by the way)
I'm tryin to run this CMD line:
x264.exe --pass 1 --bitrate 27000 --bluray-compat --level 4.1 --preset faster --tune film --keyint 24 --sar 1:1 --slices 4 --vbv-bufsize 30000 --vbv-maxrate 40000 --b-pyramid none --weightp 0 --colorprim bt709 --transfer bt709 --colormatrix bt709 --merange 24 --stats ".stats" --output NUL "EFNY_INTERMEDIATE.avi
What I get is the following message:
ffms [error]: could not create index
lavf [error]: could not open input file
avs [error]: failed to load avisynth
raw [error]: raw input requires a resolution
x264 [error]: could not open input file 'EFNY_INTERMEDIATE.avi' via any method!
What? How? Why? When?
Additional info: yes, the x264 executable is in the same folder of my intermediate avi. I work on Windows 8.1 64-bit if that matters; I installed avisynth, ffms and who knows what else, I don't even remember now but I can check it out... so many I installed in the last few days. Don't know what else to add at the moment.
Talk to me like to a little kid, don't worry about it. If anybody has ideas on what can be causing all these difficulties feel free to give me a hand and don't give anything for granted, I might have missed some basic steps. Well, cancel "might".
[FOR ANYONE WHO MIGHT HAVE SIMILAR PROBLEMS IN THE FUTURE: the problem was in the latest version of x264.exe and was solved by using a previous version]
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List of D-Theater releases |
Posted by: spoRv - 2017-01-20, 06:27 AM - Forum: Official and unofficial releases
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List of D-Theater releases:
- 21 Grams - 1.85:1 - 12/14/2004 - Universal
- 2 Fast 2 Furious - 2.35:1 - 6/29/2004 - Universal
- About a Boy - 2.35:1 - 3/23/2004 - Dreamworks
- Alien: Director's Cut - 2.35:1 - 1/6/2004 - Fox
- American Pie - 1.85:1 - 10/2003/2002 - Universal
- American Pie 2 - 1.85:1 - 3/23/2004 - Universal
- Backdraft - 2.35:1 - 09/24/2002 - Universal
- Beauty Of Japan - 1.78:1 - 10/2003/2002 - Unknown
- Behind Enemy Lines - 2.35:1 - 10/2001/2002 - Fox
- Being John Malkovich - 1.85:1 - 04/22/2003 - Universal
- Biker Boyz - 1.85:1 - 06/29/2004 - Universal
- Big Momma's House - 1.85:1 - 09/2003/2002 - Fox
- Bone Collector - 2.35:1 - 11/19/2002 - Universal
- Bourne Identity, The - 2.35:1 - 12/16/2003 - Universal
- Brotherhood of the Wolf - 2.35:1 - 10/21/2003 - Universal
- Butch Cassidy And The Sundance Kid - 2.35:1 - 4/20/2004 - Fox
- Cape Fear - 2.35:1 - 06/24/2003 - Universal
- Cast Away - 1.85:1 - 11/26/2002 - Fox
- Contender, The - 1.85:1 - 3/23/2004 - Dreamworks
- Courage Under Fire - 1.85:1 - 04/15/2003 - Fox
- Daredevil - 2.35:1 - 7/29/2003 - Fox
- Day After Tomorrow, The - 2.35:1 - 10/12/2004 - Fox
- Die Hard - 2.35:1 - 04/15/2003 - Fox
- Don't Say A Word - 2.35:1 - 09/2003/2002 - Fox
- Dr. T And The Women - 2.35:1 - 09/23/2003 - Artisan
- Emperor's Club, The - 1.85:1 - 10/21/2003 - Universal
- End of Days - 2.35:1 - 08/20/2002 - Universal
- Entrapment - 2.35:1 - 09/2003/2002 - Fox
- Evolution - 1.85:1 - 06/24/2003 - Dreamworks
- Family Man, The - 2.35:1 - 02/25/2003 - Universal
- Fast and The Furious, The - 2.35:1 - 05/20/2003 - Universal
- Fight Club - 2.35:1 - 10/2001/2002 - Fox
- First Blood - 2.35:1 - 04/22/2003 - Artisan
- Forces of Nature - 1.85:1 - Dreamworks 3/23/2004
- From Hell - 1.85:1 - 12/2003/2002 - Fox
- Ghost Dog: The Way of the Samurai - 1.85:1 - 9/23/2003 - Artisan
- Galaxy Quest - 2.35:1 - 08/20/2002 - Dreamworks
- Glengarry Glen Ross - 2.35:1 - 04/22/2003 - Artisan
- Gosford Park - 2.35:1 - 02/25/2003 - Universal
- Haunting, The - 2.35:1 - 09/24/2002 - Dreamworks
- High Crimes - 2.35:1 - 11/2005/2002 - Fox
- Hurricane, The - 1.85:1 - 02/25/2003 - Universal
- I, Robot - 2.35:1 - 01/31/2005 Fox
- Ice Age - 1.85:1 - 11/26/2002 - Fox
- Independence Day - 2.35:1 - 08/2006/2002 - Fox
- Kiss Of The Dragon - 2.35:1 - 11/2005/2002 - Fox
- K-Pax - 2.35:1 - 04/22/2003 - Universal
- Last Castle, The - 2.35:1 - 06/29/2004 - Universal
- League Of Extraordinary Gentlemen - 2.35:1 - 12/16/2003 - Fox
- Life of David Gale, The - 2.35:1 - 6/29/2004 - Universal
- Limey, The - 1.85:1 - 08/2003 - Artisan
- Lost in Translation - 1.66:1 - 12/14/2004 - Universal
- Love Actually - 2.35:1 - 12/14/2004 - Universal
- Man on Fire - 2.35:1 - 10/12/2004 - Fox
- Master And Commander - 2.35:1 - 4/20/2004 - Fox
- Meet the Parents - 1.85:1 - 06/29/2004 - Universal
- Meet Joe Black - 1.85:1 - 06/24/2003 - Universal
- Men Of Honor - 2.35:1 - 10/2001/2002 - Fox
- Moulin Rouge - 2.35:1 - 11/25/2003 - Fox
- Mulholland Drive - 1.85:1 - 10/21/2003 - Universal
- Mummy, The - 2.35:1 - 05/20/2003 - Universal
- Mummy Returns, The - 2.35:1 - 3/23/2004 - Universal
- National Lampoon's Van Wilder - 1.85:1 - 11/2004/2002 - Universal
- Ninth Gate, The - 2.35:1 - 09/23/2003 - Artisan
- Notting Hill - 1.85:1 - 3/23/2004 - Universal
- Novocaine - 1.85:1 - 08/31/2003 - Artisan
- One From the Heart - 1.33:1 - 1/27/2004 - American Zoetrope
- Out of Sight - 1.85:1 - 06/29/2004 - Universal
- Passion of The Christ, The - 2.35:1 - 08/31/2004 - Fox
- Peacemaker - 2.35:1 - 06/11/2002 - Dreamworks
- Phone Booth - 2.35:1 - 7/29/2003 - Fox
- Planet Of The Apes - 2.35:1 - 11/2005/2002 - Fox
- Red Dragon - 2.35:1 - 06/29/2004 - Universal
- Ring, The - 1.85:1 - 10/21/2003 - Dreamworks
- Runaway Jury - 2.35:1 - 4/20/2004 - Fox
- Rundown, The - 2.35:1 - 12/14/2004 - Universal
- Scorpion King, The - 2.35:1 - 06/29/2004 - Universal
- Snow Falling on Cedars - 2.35:1 - 06/24/2003 - Universal
- Speed - 2.35:1 - 12/16/2003 - Fox
- Spy Game - 2.35:1 - 11/19/2002 - Universal
- Stir of Echoes - 1.85:1 - 09/23/2003 - Artisan
- Terminator 2 - 2.40:1 - 06/11/2002 - Artisan
- There's Something About Mary - 1.85:1 - 7/29/2003 - Fox
- Time Machine, The - 2.35:1 - 06/24/2003 - Dreamworks
- Transporter, The - 2.35:1 - 04/15/2003 - Fox
- True Lies - 2.35:1 - 12/16/2003 - Fox
- Truth About Charlie, The - 2.35:1 - 12/14/2004 - Universal
- U-571 - 2.35:1 - 06/11/2002 - Universal
- Unfaithful - 1.85:1 - 1/6/2004 - Fox
- X-Men - 2.35:1 - 06/11/2002 - Fox
- X2: X-Men United - 2.35:1 - 11/25/2003 - Fox
(source: http://www.avsforum.com/forum/114-hdtv-s...-15-a.html - I avoided to add non-movies D-VHS titles)
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Minority Report [spoRv] |
Posted by: spoRv - 2017-01-19, 07:04 PM - Forum: Archived projects
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Minority Report [spoRv] (special preserved or Restored version)
updated: 2017-01-26
Mission: to restore Minority Report color grading.
Video sources: Blu-ray, DVD.
Audio sources: Blu-ray, DVD.
Subtitles sources: Blu-ray, DVD.
Project info:
“Minority Report” Blu-ray has a very natural color grading… a bit too much natural, for a sci-fi movie like this. The DVD has a different color palette, colder in most scenes, but sometimes more colorful than the Blu-ray.
So the Blu-ray will be regraded using the DVD as color reference.
Some references about colors:
DVDactive.com Wrote:For Minority Report, Spielberg once again allocated the skills of Janusz Kaminski, a rather ingenious Cinematographer who knows how to put DVD’s capabilities to the test. Minority Report is not a very colorful film, and is in fact quite the opposite. The look is hard, drab and cold.
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I would say that grain is a problem, but the grain visible is obviously a product of the bleach-bypass process used to achieve the film’s amazing look. http://www.dvdactive.com/reviews/dvd/min...port2.html (about DVD)
TCM.com Wrote:Kaminski’s most interesting trick, however, was to desaturate and mute the film’s colors by employing a “bleach bypass” system. Normally in negative processing, the film emulsion is bleached. By skipping this step, the film ends up looking like a simultaneous color and black-and-white image, resulting in increased grain and contrast. Kaminski said, “The process pulled about 40 percent of the color out of the image, but we worked to get that back in by adding more color to the lights. Overall, the image has a bleached-out quality with deep shadows and blown highlights.” http://www.tcm.com/this-month/article.html?isPreview=&id=650696|648300&name=Minority-Report (about DVD)
Blu-Ray.com Wrote:The grading process began with Levinson matching an answer print. The answer print consisted of individual reels that Steven Spielberg had selected as best representing how he wanted the movie to be seen. At that point, Janusz Kaminski came in to work with Levinson. The grading was done while viewing the 4K files rather than a lower resolution proxy.
Steven Spielberg was also closely involved in the remastering and the resulting HDCAM-SR master represents how the creative team want the movie to be seen by viewers today. http://www.blu-ray.com/news/?id=4078 (about BD) – bold added by me, you know why…
Source Material
Video:- Minority Report – EU Blu-ray
- Minority Report – IT PAL DVD
Audio:- Minority Report – EU Blu-ray
- Minority Report – IT PAL DVD
Subtitles:- Minority Report – EU Blu-ray
- Minority Report – IT PAL DVD
Project status: advanced
Final format: BD-25
First regrade test clip (first 3m33s): https://vimeo.com/200171806
First regrade comparison clip: https://vimeo.com/200184533
Latest regrade screenshot comparisons: https://fanrestore.com/thread-1263-post-...l#pid24980
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Possible, alternative "container" for our releases |
Posted by: spoRv - 2017-01-19, 05:20 PM - Forum: Official and unofficial releases
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Until now, I released my projects mainly on BD with menus. I like menus, and you? I bet so... 
The only free software that allow authoring BDs with menus is MultiAVCHD. It works - I mean, it makes a BD structure, ready to burn on actual BD-R disc, but some users found the burned BD not compatible with their players. Moreso, the most known software media players (MPC and VLC) have often strange behaviour with BD menus (much worse than DVD). So, at the end, final users play directly the 00000.m2ts file, and all my work results useless... still, I love to have menus, and intro, and so no...
Lately I find that many, many users (me included) don't burn projects on discs anymore, but play the file directly on their PC; a plain single file is the best option - one could play it "as is", or remux it in a BD (or AVCHD) structure, and have a phisical media to play. Still, menus are lacking, and intro, if any, must be added at the beginning (and/or end) of the file, meaning much work, and "ethical" issues.
MKV "seems" ready to support menus, but when?
Then, I thought to a possible alternative. A simple HTML5 player!
Crazy idea? Maybe, that's why I'm posting it here, to have your opinions. HTML5 players are used by everyone, on YouTube, Vimeo, DailyMotion and so on. Yet, they are very limited in comparison to any software player. But this could work in our favour, somehow... frankly, when I want to watch a video clip on my PC, all I want to do (eventually) is to choose my language and/or subtitle tracks, and you?
We could release a project in a single folder, with one HTML file that will start the player, and one MVK (or other) video file containing the main feature. Well, almost useless, someone could point out, what is the difference instead of playing the file directly? Well, if there is more than one file - for example, bonus material, or an entire bonus project, having an HTML file with simple menu pointing to those files could be handy (and with a nice looking).
I've seen some free HTML5 video players that allow to add custom made buttons; why don't add one for the trailer? One for chapters, one for audio and subs selection? A bit like DVD/BD menus, but made in HTML/CSS; great appearance, and small footprint, can be read by any OS, also mobile - even if I don't think someone would normally watch an entire 1080p movies on a cellphone...
Another great option could be to add soft matte to an open matte release, avoiding two releases (and double work/time to upload/time to download/HDD space etc.)
Seamless branching "could" work, too... maybe it's possible to have HTML buttons in the menu for the theatrical and extended version, where for example TC calls file1+file2+file3, while EE calls file1+file4+file2+file5+file3... got the point? More investigation is needed, to understand if this is possible and the join are indeed seamless.
Now, codec support: video AVC for sure, also WebM and Theora; audio AAC, vorbis, opus, FLAC, mp3, WAV; containers WebM, Ogg, MP4; I'm pretty sure there is a way to support MKV container, and audio AC3 as well. What's about DTS? Of course, it's still possible to convert audio to a supported format.
What is the output quality of a video clip played in an HTML5 player (possibly without using Flash)? I mean, visually I have the same quality of a software player? And audio wise?
It will be great to have a standardized player, where each of us could put his logo, and other custom... "things", but still having a look'n'feel familiar with other releases...
Still another crazy, and useless, idea, or can have some potential?
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