[In progress] True Lies - open matte, film regraded

[dwalkerdon]

does anyone have the Dolby Surround 2.0 Mix from the R1 DVD?

[Kreeep]

I have nothing to contribute to this project other than, man, I am really looking forward to this one! Thanks guys

[applesandrice]

does anyone have the Dolby Surround 2.0 Mix from the R1 DVD?

I can supply this if it's still needed. Shoot me a PM.

[dwalkerdon]

does anyone have the Dolby Surround 2.0 Mix from the R1 DVD?

I can supply this if it's still needed. Shoot me a PM.

I will PM you ASAP!!

[maksnew]

AFAIK the following are the available DTS tracks:

D-Theater - 1510kbps 24bit 48kHz DTS 5.1
Laserdisc - 1441kbps 18bit 44.1kHz DTS 5.1
DVD - 755kbps 16bit 48kHz DTS ES matrix 6.1
Cinema - 881kbps 16bit 44.1kHz APT-X 5.1

thoughts?

I couldn’t get acquainted with the sound of Laserdisc and DVD DTS ES matrix 6.1, but the Cinema DTS that was present on the 35mm scan had the best sound characteristics.
If anyone could share them)

If anyone has sound from this DVD and LD then could you share it?  thank!
DVD DTS ES matrix 6.1
Laserdisc - 1441kbps 18bit 44.1kHz DTS 5.1

[Doctor M]

IIRC, the DTS DVD was on a Japanese disc. At the time reviewers reported that it may have only been a re-encoding of the DD track because of the popularity of DTS over there. I don't believe it is superior to the original DVD DD track, but we have better tools now with which to check.

Edit: I withdraw that comment. According to Archive.org's copy of jimsdvdsite.dk, translated by Google Translate:

In 2001, there was talk of re-releasing this film on DVD. The first US version was nicely said to be very disappointing. Dolby Digital 5.1 sound and no extra material, it was not even anamorphic. But Lightstorm Entertainment would rectify this. They had planned to release the film in the so-called Five Star Collection via 20th Century Fox. It should have been a 2 disc with the movie in DTS audio and a lot of extra material. But then there were some bumps that flew into some houses in New York. The consequences were many, as we all know. This act also severely tightened US censorship. Cameron and Fox, who had planned to release the DVD for the Christmas sale, received an injunction. There were over 20 minutes to be cut out of the film if it was to be released in a new version. Cameron, understandably, slammed the door right away, he would not join in.

The dream of a DVD DTS version of the movie thus seemed to be gone. The film is distributed worldwide is Lightstorm Entertainment (Cameron's production company), with the exception of Japan. This meant that the Japanese were free to use the remastered DTS mix that Lightstorm Entertainment had made for the re-release that never came to anything. When the film was released on DVD in Japan in 1999, people would wait a bit to use the new sound mix. In December 2003, it came then. "True Lies" with DTS ... exclusively in Japan.

Sound: Which DTS mix. It's really going on. From start to finish ... throughout the sound space. Beautiful and efficient use of the entire sound space. There is a lot going on in the rear channels, with a very nice and precise channel separation on both the front and the rear channels. The LFE area is 100½ controlled by the DTS sound. The LFE area goes very deep, but is perfectly controlled so it does not become deafening. Speech is always clear and distinct and also sounds very natural. This is how this movie should have always sounded on DVD.

Compared to the Dolby Digital sound, the special LFE range is better in the DTS mix. The Dolby sound lacks control over the sub, so it steals the soundscape. There is also a little more detail in the DTS sound, as well as a slightly better channel separation. It's certainly not a bad Dolby Digital mix, but the DTS sound is just better.

[MrBrown]

Yeah japan got a DTS Edition.
https://www.ebay.de/itm/114296914844

[Bigrob]

I had that edition.

think i sold it ages ago but will double check next time i'm going through storage

[maksnew]

IIRC, the DTS DVD was on a Japanese disc.  At the time reviewers reported that it may have only been a re-encoding of the DD track because of the popularity of DTS over there.  I don't believe it is superior to the original DVD DD track, but we have better tools now with which to check.

Edit: I withdraw that comment.  According to Archive.org's copy of jimsdvdsite.dk, translated by Google Translate:

In 2001, there was talk of re-releasing this film on DVD. The first US version was nicely said to be very disappointing. Dolby Digital 5.1 sound and no extra material, it was not even anamorphic. But Lightstorm Entertainment would rectify this. They had planned to release the film in the so-called Five Star Collection via 20th Century Fox. It should have been a 2 disc with the movie in DTS audio and a lot of extra material. But then there were some bumps that flew into some houses in New York. The consequences were many, as we all know. This act also severely tightened US censorship. Cameron and Fox, who had planned to release the DVD for the Christmas sale, received an injunction. There were over 20 minutes to be cut out of the film if it was to be released in a new version. Cameron, understandably, slammed the door right away, he would not join in.

The dream of a DVD DTS version of the movie thus seemed to be gone. The film is distributed worldwide is Lightstorm Entertainment (Cameron's production company), with the exception of Japan. This meant that the Japanese were free to use the remastered DTS mix that Lightstorm Entertainment had made for the re-release that never came to anything. When the film was released on DVD in Japan in 1999, people would wait a bit to use the new sound mix. In December 2003, it came then. "True Lies" with DTS ... exclusively in Japan.

Sound: Which DTS mix. It's really going on. From start to finish ... throughout the sound space. Beautiful and efficient use of the entire sound space. There is a lot going on in the rear channels, with a very nice and precise channel separation on both the front and the rear channels. The LFE area is 100½ controlled by the DTS sound. The LFE area goes very deep, but is perfectly controlled so it does not become deafening. Speech is always clear and distinct and also sounds very natural. This is how this movie should have always sounded on DVD.

Compared to the Dolby Digital sound, the special LFE range is better in the DTS mix. The Dolby sound lacks control over the sub, so it steals the soundscape. There is also a little more detail in the DTS sound, as well as a slightly better channel separation. It's certainly not a bad Dolby Digital mix, but the DTS sound is just better.

Thanks for the news, Russian DVD editions used Japanese DTS, but downgraded it to AC3 now it's interesting to check the Japanese original.

[Stamper]

Isn't that DVD DTS the same as the DVHS DTS? It would make sense.