[Proposal] Mad max (1979) audio preserv

[MrBrown]

At least it seems to be the only source I found for the australien english track in 5.1, so far.
Also the DTS is in 1536Kbit/s .

I find different informations on the australian DVDs.
There seem to be at lest 2 different releases by roadshow entertianment.
One is said to contain:
English (DTS 5.1)
English (Dolby Digital 5.1)
English (Dolby Digital 2.0 Mono)

The other is said to contain
Englisch (Dolby Digital 5.1 EX)
Englisch (DTS 5.0)

Also I find a source where the first one is said, not to contain the 2.0 mono...

[Stamper]

I think it might be a listing error. R4 DVDs on ebay all show 2.0 in addition of DD & DTS 5.1 on the sleeve, but no review mention any mono mix included.

I found an ebay DVD for about 12 bucks shipped. Will try that. At worst it will make a nice collectible Aussie version on my shelf LOL

[marin888]

Original post by SpaceBlackKnight:
Most of the WB Laserdiscs I searched up on LDDB, including the 1985 and 1990 Japanese NTSC LDs, only have analog mono but are very likely the Aus English audio. It is believed that this German PAL LD has the original Australian/English mono in digital https://www.lddb.com/laserdisc/38349/61170-LD/Mad-Max. It also has a printing of 1998, around the same time the Warner PAL DVDs came out in Europe, and it's a good chance that German LD uses the same master as the 1st Warner DVD (which did in fact had the Australian English mono track but lossy DD 192kbs).


Does anyone have it?
LD [61170 LD] Listed: Sound Encoding  Digital Tracks


Mad Max LD 61170 LD Brian May Mel Gibson PAL Letterbox Mint Laserdisc
https://www.ebay.de/itm/Mad-Max-LD-61170...7675.l2557
Startpreis: EUR 9,90
Beendet: 18. Jan. 2019
It' wasn't sold.
Back Cover:
https://imgur.com/zihNyzg

[Stamper]

I browsed on LDDB forum, they all think the Australian mono is on DVD and Blu-ray LOL.

Yes that release is probably the same master, that would make a nice capture of that mix intact.

I compared the mono mixes on the Blu-ray, they all sound low and blah.

I will remaster them all for my release, switching them to 2.0 and adjusting volume.

[MrBrown]

The German LD is not mentioned to contain English audio at all..
It just has German mono... The cover is even wrong saying "stereo"..

[Stamper]

That could thus make the best source out there for the German mono mix MrBrown Happy fellas!

For future reference, the difference between the Warner master and the HD master is 20.02 seconds
(the HD has the MGM Lion at the beginning added)

That means that if you want to mux any HD track to my forthcoming release, you will need to substract -20020ms to your tracks.

I checked the foreign mono mixes and the one shared between the Warner DVD and the HD are the same.

I checked the sync, and the film lines up to the frame up to the end with that delay. It looks like the same source IP is used since the 90's for this film.

I checked the framing: The HD shows more image on all four sides, but is way off with too much top and bottom shown, whereas the Warner DVD look framed correctly as every common top is perfectly lined up.

I tried a general color match fix on the HD, but it doesn't work. Some scenes look OK, others are off. It still looks digital even when the colors match. Whereas the Warner DVD has a nice filmic quality, with different coloring depending on the scenes, and not looking uniform all the way through.

So I will release on april 12 (the movie 40th anniversary) The preserv for this film.

MAD MAX (1979)
Original color timing and audio preserv

Format: MKV

Picture: Original Warner European disc remuxed to 23.976, no re-encoding.

Audio tracks:
- Original Australian mono (from Warner DVD) 2.0 volume adjusted.
- Original American dub mono (from Warner DVD) 2.0 volume adjusted.
- Original American dub stereo DTS-HD 2.0 (from Blu-ray release)
- Original French mono (from Warner DVD) 2.0 volume adjusted.
- Original French stereo (from Blu-ray release)
- Original Spanish mono (from Warner DVD) 2.0 volume adjusted.
- Original German mono (from Warner DVD) 2.0 volume adjusted.
- Original Italian mono (from Warner DVD) 2.0 volume adjusted.


Subtitles (PGS):

- English
- French
- Spanish
- German
- Italian


I want some input from you guys.

Would you want me to add the crappy 5.1 Chace mix, and any other foreign audio from the European disc?

There are 7 different additional mono mixes on the European (plus the subs): Spanish castillan, Port, Czech, Hung, Pol, Rus, Jpn.

It would require me to extract those, and convert them to 2.0 after volume adjusting to match the previous.

Something weird I noticed comparing the two american tracks. The DTS-HD track sounds stereo with the sound spread out whereas the mono track is all center. This is the same thing with the french stereo track. I checked the american DTS-HD and there is different information in both channels, though much of the information is the same, some waveforms are different in some places!

If either Mr Brown or I receive the R4 DVD in the meantime and we discover the 5.1 mix is different from the Chace, we'll add it to the release, adjusted to 23.976.

Let me know what you guys think.

[MrBrown]

Maybe for the international BD tracks the info, how to fit them to your DVD preservation is sufficient.
The "not on BD avaible"-tracks are more interesting, because they are not so wide avaible anymore.

I do not possess the Laserdisc.

The australian DVD was shipped, should arrive this week. It is coming from UK, not Australia. So it is somebit faster

[Stamper]

I'm beginning to suspect there is something fishy going on with the original "mono" tracks from both the Warner DVD and Blu-rays.

They are probably all downmixes of stereo tracks, as evidenced by the existence of both the French stereo and American dub stereo on the Blu-ray discs.

Tough it sounds mostly mono, those two tracks offer a different, superior experience to the same ones in 1.0.

I think it's possible that all those 1.0 tracks are downmixes of better sounding stereo tracks.

And maybe, it's possible they are all sourced from old VHS hence why they are all 1.0 as original VHS from the 80's were mostly mono.

That means the Warner DVD 1.0 soundtracks are not original, same as all the 1.0 foreign dub tracks on the Blu-rays.

They probably correspond to mono VHS rips.

Remember, even if a film is mixed for mono, it goes at 2 tracks on 35mm. There might be slight differences on the tracks.

If you fold it down, you do not reproduce the exact same experience as the film theater experience.

I checked the 9 Laserdiscs released, there is a french LD release in 2.0

https://www.lddb.com/laserdisc/27963/61170LD/Mad-Max

I think this may be the source of the 2.0 track on the US R1 Blu-ray.

That's why they put it on the American Blu-ray, it makes for a nice bonus.

So as of right now, we're all good with the American dub (2.0 DTS-HD on the Blu-ray) and French dub (2.0 from the US Blu-ray, probably sourced from french Pal Laserdisc).

But we only have a 1.0 Australian original track from the Warner Europe DVD, which I think by high degree of probability is a downmix of a better sounding 2.0 track.

During the 1990's, Warner Home Video (UK) Ltd released a VHS version of the film not only containing the original dialogue, but presented in the original aspect ratio of 2.35:1. This video is PAL also. The catalogue number for the video is PES 12545. This was re-released around 1995 under the Beyond Vision label, with the product code SO12545.

So it could mean if this UK tape from 1992 was recorded in stereo, it could offer the best Australian original mix ever released.

[Image: mad-max-5-dv.jpg]

[Image: mad-max-warner-home-video-3-dv.jpg]

Jonno, could you check if this tape has stereo channels? No indication on the sleeves.

[marin888]

Someone...
https://forum.blu-ray.com/showpost.php?p...count=1152

[MrBrown]

https://rover.ebay.com/rover/0/0/0?mpre=...3091629739

Too bad it is that expensive... But I think this is mono. No hint regarding audio on front and backside...