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  About color grading (and timing)
Posted by: spoRv - 2015-05-13, 06:47 PM - Forum: Official and unofficial releases - Replies (6)

From Wikipedia:

Quote:Color grading is the process of altering and enhancing the color of a motion picture, video image, or still image either electronically, photo-chemically or digitally. The photo-chemical process is also referred to as color timing and is typically performed at a photographic laboratory.

From now, let's use timing only for printed film, and grading for all the other cases.

The original negative has no timing at all, right? So, if a release is based on a film original negative scan, it *should* be regraded; at the contrary, if the master is taken from a release print, the timing could be preserved.

The former, if the intention is to have a color grading equal (or similar) to the one watched in the theaters, needs some kind of reference; a release print could be expected, that usually is not used as a master for various reasons - generation quality loss, used print often needs cleaning due to age, dirt, wear etc.

Of course, the whole process will be made in the digital domain; this *should* lead to a different result of the color timing, because the latter was made photochemically, and I think it's impossible to recreate perfectly those nuances - due to several reasons expert could surely explain better.

So, let's say that 100% is the right, original, color timing seen in the theaters at the day the movie was projected for the first time... let's say also studios are so lucky to find a first generation release print, projected maybe once, then stored in the proper conditions, the best ever found... now, given the right conditions - lamp color, best scanner etc. - it is supposed to obtain a very near copy, color wise, of the release print... let's say 95% - I think is impossible to better this result IMHO.

A negative scan will be better in resolution, but, after the proper, carefully chosen, scene by scene, shot by shot, digital color regrading, how close to the original color timing could it be? I mean, could be better, color wise, than the scan of a release print?

Frankly, I can't answer, but, according to what I read all around the net, the situation where the colors of some scenes are really close to the release print, while others are a bit, or a lot, way off, is due to the fact that it's not (always) possible to recreate digitally the photochemical process...

At the end, let's say that the best color grading of a negative scan could reach an overall 90% - and this will be a great result - but this is the average quality... in few scenes, it will be 100% like the release print, while in others will be 90%, 80% and so on, while the release print scan would have the quality consistent for the whole movie.

So, thinking about the techniques we, project makers, use for our project, it would be possible to obtain a very detailed version of the negative, with the color of the positive print... and it's quite easy... how?

Well, given the fact we have both O-negative and a very good positive prints, we should scan them at the best resolution possible - 8K will be great, but 6K should do; 4K is good, but 2K should be avoided; using the same scanner, they should be spatially aligned; so, we could take the negative luma, the positive chroma, and combine them, obtaining the same resolution of the negative, and a reduced chroma resolution of the positive, that will be more than enough for any BD (or Ultra-BD).

What do you think?

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  My apologies...
Posted by: spoRv - 2015-05-12, 09:53 PM - Forum: Everything else... - Replies (3)

Lately, my memory lacks more than ever... don't know if it's due to my age, stress, or something else... the fact is, I promise to do a thing, and I mean to mantain the promise, but I forgot to do that thing... or, I make a thing, and I must let a person know what I did, discovering some time later I forgot to tell it to that person, even if I was sure I did it... so, I keep remember I'm forgetting something, but can't remember what! Sad

So, to whom it may concern: my apologies for everything! If you think I'm still forgetting something - a project to finish, a capture to make, a file to find, everything - don't worry, even if you have sent one previously, send another PM to remind me what I have to do...

Why I haven't addressed this message to the persons interested? Well, I can't remember who they are all! Tongue

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  Super resolution
Posted by: DrDre - 2015-05-12, 04:20 PM - Forum: Restoration guides - Replies (58)

Multi-image or multi-frame super resolution (SR) is a technique used to restore detail, while upscaling low resolution images or video frames. Although SR can be applied to native low resolution images or video frames, here we will focus on the case where a high resolution source has been downscaled to a low resolution, as is the case for commercial DVDs.
We will start with an example of a single image. When you downscale a high resolution image to a lower resolution you lose information. Each pixel in the low resolution image becomes a weighted average of a number of frames in the high resolution image. When we upscale the low resolution image to the resolution of the high resolution image the lost information does not magically reappear. The result is a blurry image that lacks detail, as can be seen in the following example. Here the resolution has first been reduced by a factor of two, and than upscaled to the original size.

http://screenshotcomparison.com/comparison/125890

The information about the stripes on the girl's pants and scarf has obviously been lost as a consequence of the downscale. However, if we have multiple images with subpixel shifts much of this information can be retrieved. This effect can be simulated by shifting the high resolution image in multiple directions by one pixel. Each of these shifted images is then downscaled and upscaled in the same way as before. If we then align, average, and deblur these shifted images, we obtain the following result:

http://screenshotcomparison.com/comparison/125895

As you can see much of the original detail has been retrieved.
We have seen that it is possible to obtain a high resolution image by combining multiple low resolution images. The same principle can be applied to video. Video can be viewed as a set of shifted images. By aligning very similar objects in multiple frames, averaging the pixel information, and deblurring, the resolution of a video can be increased. In practise this is of course quite complicated, but the basic concept is the same as the above example for a single image.
An example using the bluray for Star Wars can be seen in the following screenshot comparisons. As before the video has first been downscaled by a factor of two, and then upscaled using SR.

Simple upscale versus SR:

http://screenshotcomparison.com/comparison/125527

The methods used for image and video super resolution have been extensively described in scientific literature. Just type in (video) super resolution in Google Scholar, if you're interested. Commercial software is also available at a reasonable price. As a Virtualdub and Avisynth user I have found that for video upscaling the best performing option at this point is the Infognition software (standalone, Virtualdub plugin, Avisynth plugin). Why don't you try it out?

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  Mad Max Beyond Thunderdome Trailer Restoration
Posted by: bendermac - 2015-05-10, 04:45 AM - Forum: Released - Replies (17)

i've finished the restoration/re-creation of the theatrical trailer of mad max beyond thunderdome

you can check it out on youtube



i had to make a few subtle changes due to missing frames/footage and use of alternate angles in the trailer.
everything was done to honor the original intend. though, i did change the opening logo to the much cooler
1970's warner bros logo  :cool:

enjoy  Smile

the trailer was edited in final cut pro x

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  Laserdisc Player - which one to purchase?
Posted by: Colek - 2015-05-09, 01:05 PM - Forum: General technical discussions - Replies (3)

Hey,

I need to get a Laserdisc player in order to rip video and audio out of NTSC Laserdisc (I am from Poland, so PAL here). What player should I get? How much will it cost me? Or maybe someone can do this for me? Smile I'll send you the Laserdisc, and afterwards you'd resend it to me.

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  Making a composite cut - what tools to use?
Posted by: Colek - 2015-05-09, 12:55 PM - Forum: General technical discussions - Replies (12)

Hey,

I am making a composite cut of Jackie Chan movie (Uncut DVD and German HDTV broadcast). I'll upscale the DVD using SuperResolution and other filters (do you guys suggest any?), but I would like to know what tool you suggest to use to make one movie out of these.

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  Netflix HD captures?
Posted by: IcePrick - 2015-05-09, 04:17 AM - Forum: Capture and rip - Replies (27)

Do we have any users here who are capable of capturing HD video from Netflix, Amazon, Hulu, etc? There often are movies there available in HD which have not been released on Blu-ray. It could be very useful to capture them in 1080p, especially since they don't always stay up for very long. I've already missed a few which I wish had been captured. Any interest in this?

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  The Abyss (1989) BD
Posted by: spoRv - 2015-05-09, 12:11 AM - Forum: Requests, proposals, help - Replies (148)

Have you noticed that it's 2015, and still no official BD release of "The Abyss", even if it should have been out last year?

Well, Doctor Sapirstein preceded me with his double project:
http://originaltrilogy.com/forum/topic.c...opic/16302
sadly, he retired it when he heard about the BD release, but it never happened, and, even if it will happen, maybe we have to wait a lot (how much, is too much) of time... the interesting fact is he made two versions, one was an upscaling of the NTSC DVD, while the other was done using an HDTV broadcast as source.

Even if they were technically good, now they could be improved; the upscale could benefit from both Super Resolution and PaNup technique (yes, I know PAL quality is not that good, but it will be eventually used with a lower percentage); the HDTV used was upscaled from a Japanese 720p source, then cropped to 2.7:1 to get rid of the TV logo and subtitles; now the Cinemax HDTV is available, with a greater quality, but unfortunately it has the so-called "Cameronized" color regrade, and it's "only" the theatrical version...

So, there is room for improvements IMHO; I'd leave out completely the upscaled DVD, and I'd use the Cinemax HDTV to reconstruct the Special Edition, while the added parts will be taken from other HDTV that, albeit of lower quality in comparison to the former, are always better than any DVD upscale.

Well, what do you think guys? And gals, too, of course! Big Grin

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  HDTV broadcasts have a slight magenta blanket
Posted by: spoRv - 2015-05-08, 02:34 AM - Forum: Official and unofficial releases - Replies (1)

Lately I recorded some HDTV movies from italian FTA DVB channels; even if bit rate is not that high - around 7-8mbps, but with spikes up to around 14mbps - they are quite good; of course, in comparison with BD, they retain no grain at all, but tiny details are well preserved, much better than what I supposed...

The only problem is they have all a slight magenta blanket applied to them; if watched alone, it is not that much noticeable, but when compared directly with the BD, this becomes clear, even if not so nasty.

I guess which could be the problem, and if you noted the same with the HDTV broadcasts of your country.

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  Avengers: Age Of Ultron
Posted by: PDB - 2015-05-07, 09:50 PM - Forum: Movies, TV shows and other - Replies (12)

Haven't seen this yet but was wondering what people around here thought of it. Worth going to the theater or wait for Blu-ray?

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