They could have at least color matched them to be more "seamless". I don't even see the point to include the DC and extended cut that we'll lead the audience to make faces at each transition. That takes space on the disc and complicates the authoring using the so-called "seamless" branching technology.

I've stopped trying to understand the logic behind this release. Still the thread on blu ray forum is highly entertaining. Maybe Cameron is trolling us all

They have not even included the extra-length end credit for the Special Edition...

I'm wondering if all these issue are why the US disc was delayed. This work is truly unacceptable.

This also seems to be a lot greener then the DCP I saw which had it green parts, to be sure, but not a universal blanket. I still think the colors of the DCP and this new BD are wrong.

Anyone see the 4K UHD yet?

I checked the soundmix, and in the corridor scene, when Arnold walks over the roses, when he preps his shotgun, the sound goes into the rear surrounds. So I assume it's the old DVD mix and not the original mix. Now I'm gonna have to find a way to sync the original mix to this.

(2017-11-27, 05:58 PM)PDB Wrote: I'm wondering if all these issue are why the US disc was delayed. This work is truly unacceptable.

This also seems to be a lot greener then the DCP I saw which had it green parts, to be sure, but not a universal blanket. I still think the colors of the DCP and this new BD are wrong.

Anyone see the 4K UHD yet?

TBH I bet the delay was to gauge demand for this release in the US. I honestly can't see Studiocanal releasing an alternate master to Lionsgate, in doing so enraging their domestic audience.

PDB it does look greener than I remember it at the cinema, I'm wondering if it's down to a green blanket or because the screenshots are almost always in comparison to the 2015 blu which is red pushed.

Interestingly one review mentioned an improvement in the sound quality. Is it possible that in Studiocanal's almost legendary incompetence the DCP (and potentially the original) sound mix got onto the disc? Seeing as they've literally ported the DCP with the 3D credit at the start it could be the case. The seamless branching card even mentions shifts in sound quality. Oh oh oh
Edit: Probably not

But anyway back to the topic. In my trawling the name Torsten Kaiser popped up again, this time on cinefacts-forum.kino.de:

http://cinefacts-forum.kino.de/183249-te...ost8632353

https://translate.google.com/translate?s...t=&act=url

It seems that T2 prints were handled by Technicolor as opposed to DeLuxe (who handled Terminator, Aliens and Abyss). The 2 different labs had different photochemical processes which rendered colours differently:

"It may well be that Technicolor in-house (photochemically) was not able to respond to the special wishes of Cameron and Greenburg at that time, and thus the color curves as they presented themselves. In that sense, I would not generalize, this would certainly be the wrong way.

I'm surprised then but that just calculated Cameron, who had known DeLuxe extensively (including through T1, ABYSS and ALIENS) then T2 has made at Technicolor. The intention to be able to work in the blue and magenta stages much harder, colder, decidedly and "pointedly" was therefore certainly there; this could obviously not offer DeLuxe. TC was known for the harder blues; it could (and probably would) be that the decision for TC then was a compromise, and then waived the decided Zyantöne. Nevertheless, even this is still a departure from what would photochemically (decidedly, in the color curves) would come / would come - so far, a portion of "revisionism" is there. Cameron had at T2 at the time an edition with annotations diezbezgl. let settle. That would have been a good idea here and in the other "revisited projects"."

It's worth browsing the thread for Torsten's comments. He even has a frame from a film print scanned on a Scanity DHR and as projected on a Steenbeck:

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From what I can glean from google translate the notion is that Cameron/Greenberg possibly didn't get the grade they wanted at the time and so (predictably) used the 3D conversion/4k scan as an opportunity to get the grade 'right'. But it does go some way to explain the blues and purples of T2.
Are any of our German friends able to offer a better translation? 

I might add, the crunch of the skull at the beginning, it's very flat on the Blu-ray. In the cinema it was huge even without the bass, just like it was on the original laserdiscs.
Does anyone have a R1 of the original 1997 snapcase release? I would be interested for a 1/1 rip so that I can have the image as control for a sync. If you have, PM me

(2017-11-27, 10:55 PM)Stamper Wrote: I might add, the crunch of the skull at the beginning, it's very flat on the Blu-ray. In the cinema it was huge even without the bass, just like it was on the original laserdiscs.
Does anyone have a R1 of the original 1997 snapcase release? I would be interested for a 1/1 rip so that I can have the image as control for a sync. If you have, PM me

Just use the Team Blu sync of the CDS mix, sync the starting point properly (+818 frame delay) and then add a +4 frame delay at some point between John saying "Come on, let's spend some money" and Sarah saying "It's like a giant strobe light", so between 18'26" and 18'40". That's the only delay I noticed when resynchronizing my subs. I suppose it happens at the cut between Arnie on the bike and Sarah on the TV.

EDIT: now I confirm it is actually at that scene change that the +4 frame delay occurs.

(2017-11-28, 12:25 AM)Beber Wrote: Just use the Team Blu sync of the CDS mix.

Sorry, I lost track: is the CDS mix still the definitive audio track? If so, is the Team Blu disc (or accompanying CDS mix) available anywhere still? I have it on a disc somewhere back home, but that's a coast away.

Also, Stamper, since you mentioned it in another thread, do you happen to have an opinion which is better: this new remastered disc or the unofficial "RuTracker" remaster, culled from various releases of the old transfer?

Slightly off topic: May I ask what CDS means?